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Cenk and Ana didn’t compromise with Maga. They are just trying to find common ground. That is how politics is supposed to work. Destiny is only grounded if you define that as having a mainstream bias. The democrats just had 1 billion to run the exact campaign he wanted and they got destroyed. He was even saying Biden should stay in, we now know Biden would have probably lost 40 states according to his own polling. That’s not being grounded, that’s just mainstream bias in the face of reality. By platforming neo nazis who have Fringe audiences destiny gives them legitimacy. Whereas when TYT goes on MAGA it’s the opposite, they are gaining legitimacy for progressives since MAGA won and therefore currently have legitimacy.

destiny literally hung out with a neo nazi multiple times, yet cenk shouldn’t talk to Charlie Kirk?

Dalai Lama is a disappointment. Even the Pope gives more forceful statements for peace. Buddhists in Myanmar are committing genocide in the name of Buddhism and all he did was make some statements.

The surrounding countries don’t want to be blamed for enabling ethnic cleansing, they are also poor and can’t handle another huge influx of refugees. Europe and America won’t take them. Israel is the one expelling them.

Then an exchange would be agreeing to the right of return and letting Palestinians still alive from the Nakba return to Israel To remove their ability to defend themselves and have full self determination

In Barak’s deal it was 96% of what israel considered the West Bank, that didn’t include settlements, the Dead Sea, or the Jordan valley. Agreeing means israel annexes 10% of the West Bank and keeps temporary control of 12%. It also required permanent Israeli control of airspace, three Israeli controlled military bases in the West Bank, Israel presence at border crossings, and giving israel the right to invade when they feel necessary. The deal also didn’t allow Palestinian sovereignty in most of east jeresulem including Palestinian neighborhoods. It also required letting Israel keep some settlements in the Gaza Strip. The intifada only began after Barak announced that Israel had no plans to withdraw from the town of Abu Dis, as it had pledged to do in the 1995 Oslo II and Israel settlement building had increased 81 percent in the first quarter of 2000, then Israeli troops opened fire on unarmed Palestinian rock-throwers at the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, killing four and wounding over 200. When Israel left the Gaza Strip, they put it under a blockade that in their own words was designed to crush the economy and caused it to have one of the highest unemployment rates in the world , and controlled everything and everyone that got in and out effectively trapping the majority of people inside. So while they did remove Israeli presence from inside Gaza, they still controlled it outside.

It’s a myth https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/palestinians-sabotaged-the-peace-process/ https://fair.org/home/the-myth-of-the-generous-offer/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/12/26/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strikes-takeaways.html

Leave and go where?

In public, what they say privately is a different matter

Historically there were many examples Jewish communities coexisting peacefully in Arab states for long periods of time. Many Jews actually fled to the Middle East from Europe to escape violence. Prior to Zionism Palestinians specifically were known for living peacefully with large Christian and jewish minorities.

When I say liberal Zionist I interpret it to mean they want a majority Jewish state with liberal values.

That’s not true, israel has regularly attacked first. Prior to the 1948 war israel was razing villages like at Deir Yassin. The famous 1967 war began with an Israeli strike. the PA in the West Bank hasn’t attacked israel in years and even works with the government, but Israel during that time seized more land, expelled more Palestinians, and allowed settlers to kill dozens every year. The recent direct conformation with Iran began when Israel bombed Irans embassy. So following your logic, attacking Israel in response is necessary because doing nothing could be worse.

Liberal Zionist is what they call themselves. How is that inaccurate or an insult? They are liberals who believe in Zionism.

By that logic anyone attacking Israel is justified because they can just presume if they didn’t Israel would attack them even more.

- Prior to the first intifada the population was so passive to the constant abuse that israel barely used anyone to guard it, when they finally reacted in the first intifada israel responded with mass violence, that is when Hamas was formed and when the terror increase. That’s like saying if I am beating you and you hit me back if I start stabbing you it’s your fault. https://btselem.org/statistics/first_intifada_tables These are the casualties of the first intifada, note the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians in the first and second year compared to the amount of Palestinians killed. - Then why are there hundreds of thousands of settlers in the west bank if they want to give it back? And the settlements increased under liberal Zionist administrations. Even the two state deals offered by Israel, aside from their many other issues, required leaving settlement blocks. - They haven’t done a suicide bombing in years (prior to the attempted one after Oct 7) and hamas was expelled from the West Bank, yet the situation just gets worse. - The Arab peace initiative was offered and still is, and Israel rejected it.

Large responses don’t increase security. For example in 1982 they invaded Lebanon in a large response for security, but after sabra and shatila the shias turned against them and their security got worse. They did many large responses in Gaza such as 2008, 2014, and 2018, yet that just lead to Oct 7. Iran didn’t attack israel, yet israel struck their embassy in Syria to assassinate their general, Iran responded by sending a small strike with advanced warning that was intercepted and said the issue is over and they won’t continue, israel then bombed the capital of Iran. That’s not responding, it’s escalating. Regardless most security analysts say israel can’t destroy irans nuclear capabilities, at best it delays them but they will just move further underground and make them. Iran has offered deals to not make nukes multiple times and was rejected by Israel, and they still haven’t made nukes, so they could try engaging with those.