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Is this the book we are discussing? https://www.amazon.com/Gaddafis-Harem-Story-Young-Abuses/dp/0802121721 What is the proof this is a real person or it’s a real account, as far as I know this is just what the journalist said. You are massively extrapolating the honor killing phenomenon, plenty of Muslim women come out publicly about being raped and their family supports them, or even if they don’t they don’t get killed. Some came out publicly about Isis for example. Yes I find it hard to believe he could rape literally thousands and not a single one comes out publicly, like seriously not even one out of one hundred? He isn’t in power anymore so it’s not like they can hurt them. How is it a conspiracy, if we are just going by a book literally anyone could write anything. Maybe she could get corroboration from some larger organization. Like I said it wouldn’t surprise me, dictators obviously do stuff like this, like Saddams sons, but that’s not proof.

how many countries overseas to it has China bombed in the last 100 years compared to the USA

This website has good book recommendations https://fivebooks.com/category/world/asia/middle-east/ I also recommend the great war for civilization by Robert Fisk

Yes, but it was in large part a reaction to western influence, Lawrence Wright wrote about this regarding Sayyid Qutub. Then the west made it even worse by funding the extremists themselves through wahabbists in Saudi Arabia and Mujahideen in Afghanistan. It was beyond stupid and it’s insane they doubled down on it by doing it again in Syria. They’ll probably try and do it again to with Iran.

I wouldn’t be shocked if he and his army engaged in rape but when numbers in the thousands start getting thrown around when the US establishment has a clear motive in wanting his reputation hurt it is suspicious. If a Palestinian journalist started reporting anonymous accounts of women claiming Netanyahu raped a hundred Palestinian women I wouldn’t believe it by default either. I didn’t post the IDF rape allegations in the thread until we started getting corroboration from mainstream outlets and a video.

https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/cold-approach-beginners-where-to-not-to-mass-approach.28444/ https://www.girlschase.com/content/discetion-reputation-and-boldness-when-picking-girls

Iraq wasn’t a hell hole, many actually traveled to it to study and it had a fairly low crime rate. Iraq was also a bulwark against Islamist extremism and a Iranian and Saudi Cold War, all things we are now seeing the consequences of which can be laid at the feet of the US toppling him. It’s not, anyone can fake or exaggerate a testimony. Whenever the US wants someone toppled the media is flooded with stories about how they are the devil incarnate. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders investigated some claims made all over the media of Gadaffis military using systematic rape and said they didn’t find evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_rape_allegations And I don’t think they ever investigated claims Gadaffi personally raped thousands

If they don’t want to be blamed they can stop engaging in it. The US indirectly created ISIS by toppling Saddam and creating a vacuum for Al Queda to recruit. The US and Israel funneled millions worth of weaponry to rebels try and topple Assad yet many of those weapons ended up in the hands of terrorist groups who the US and Israel then used as justification for mass air strikes and bombings, then Assad not wanting to be toppled started gassing people and got Iran and Russia to enter and commit mass murder. And millions fled the country meaning Syria lost most of their critical economy. No honest look at this situation would conclude that it isn’t in large part the fault of foreign powers. If a country did 5% of this to Israel you would blame it for everything up to a Jew stubbing their toe. Yemen is an even worse example.

That isn’t evidence, it was one journalists interview with a anonymous girl claiming it. I read summaries of the book. I’m not denying he’s a monster, but some claims of his army weaponizing rape were dismissed for lack of evidence by various human rights groups.

Most of these modern conflicts were the result of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the west drawing lines throughout the Middle East. They had wars before, but they were smaller and less frequent. Western countries not intervening doesn’t mean they can’t engage in trade and commerce which assists development.

There actually isn’t solid evidence Gadaffi did such mass rapes. The US toppled Saddam it allowed Al Queda to take root there and lead to foreign fighters flooding into it and civil wars that killed hundreds of thousands. I don’t see how you can say their biggest issue wasn’t foreign intervention when it does that.

The Vietnamese did things that would make Al Queda blush. The biggest of these happened during the Korean War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_South_Korea If this was happening today everyone would be saying Asians were inherently violent terrorists and ideological possessed against the west and we just need to bomb them more.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Palestine were all way better places to live before they had their major foreign interventions. I find that more convincing then that all their societies just collectively decided to stop developing. It’s hard to develop when you are being bombed and sanctioned for, literally, decades.

Because you’re conflating longer periods of time with recent history. Yes the Middle East had less technological development than the west after the Islamic golden age and it wasn’t primarily because of western intervention, no one is arguing that. But in *recent* history there is a clear line of foreign intervention destabilizing the region and hurting its development. We have internal documents from 1958 where Eisenhower was concerned with a campaign of hatred against the west in the Middle East, and one of the largest western international bodies, National Security Council, looked into it and concluded the campaign was based on public perception the US was supporting repression and blocking development to exploit resources, and they also concluded this was correct but that it was necessary. And that was before the US replaced a secular leaning leader in Iran for oil which later inspired a Islamist revolt, before the US supported Wahhabism spreading from Saudi Arabia which inspired Islamist movements, before supporting Saddam Hussein when he committed genocide against Kurds and invaded Iran and then later toppled him creating a massive power vacuum, before Russia invaded Afghanistan and the US armed islamists, before the US, Russia, and Iran intervened in civil wars in Yemen, Sudan, and Syria making the conflicts 10x more violent, before the US sanctioned middle eastern countries crushing their economies etc. Muslim countries that had less foreign intervention generally are doing better, even though they often lack resources of middle eastern countries.

Those countries collapsed because of massive violent foreign intervention. The west massively screwed over the Middle East by importing nationalism and arbitrary states then flooding them with arms and military campaigns their development wasn’t ready for to exploit them for resources.

There sense of purpose is survival because they are in a situation where they fight to survive. The only one expanding is Israel, which announced the biggest West Bank land grab in a long time and is discussing settlements in Gaza.

The west and Saudi Arabia put Yemen through a manufactured famine and dropped bombs on them for years, their issues are just a lack of western capitalism

https://archive.is/EKrRu https://www.timesofisrael.com/joining-forces-with-gantz-yaalon-rules-out-support-for-two-state-solution/

Based on what? Even former prime minister Ehud Barak admitted if he was Palestinian he’d probably be a terrorist how does that solve the Palestine issue

It’s like saying western governments are run by Christianity and the age of enlightenment There is a lot of influence yes, but they have a lot of variance, evolution, etc.

Apartheid, blockade, and bombings create violence and rebellion everywhere else they were done, I don’t see why we can’t presume it contributes here. George Habbash was responsible for a large amount of anti Israeli terrorism, and he was Christian. So they must stop giving the population a reason to support radicals who do things like Oct 7 My point was, they weren’t motivated by Islamist ideology, yet they still attacked Israelis, so why presume islamists only attacked Israelis because of their Islamist beliefs, when even the anti Islamists are doing it. That may be true for the top brass. But they can’t sustain themselves without a popular support. The public only supports them if they feel the alternatives don’t work. If Israel doesn’t give them freedom when they do anything else, naturally they turn to radicals. How is the solution to keep doing what gives them recruits rather than start doing what removes them

For one the Knesset just voted overwhelmingly against it Here is a article from a Jewish American political scientist who was a former Zionism advocate on why he thinks it won’t work https://archive.is/EUzxL I’m not against it if it’s the only possible solution.

Except it’s not an ideological issue. The original Palestinian population was actually one of the more secular in the Middle East, they attacked Israelis still. For decades the main perpetrator of anti Israeli violence was the PLO which was a secular nationalist organization, not a religious one. Exit Polls of Palestinian voters who voted Hamas into power actually found most were voting against the PLO for corruption and most still supported the two states solution. Of course their is hatred, but it’s because of what they continue to go through, not an in built ideology. Hamas recruits from orphans of IDF attacks. No you don’t, you can deal with criminals without carpet bombings so massive the majority of children have PTSD and blockades so strict 40% of the population is unemploted and 90% of their water is contaminated, all of which were documented by human rights groups. If that way was the real path to safety there would not have been a October 7th. As things get worse for Palestinians, their violence increases. It stands to reason if things get better, they can reduce.

This study found that Palestinian education wasn’t that anti semitic https://archive.is/8fuQa Also the former head of Shin Bet Ami Ayalon said in his experience when it looked like a two state solution might happen he experienced far less security threats.

Sharia law is a broad concept that can be twisted to mean many things. Not every middle eastern country behaves like the taliban. You people act like everyone who isn’t Muslim who goes to the Middle East gets shot on sight. Many Jews lived peacefully in middle eastern countries for centuries prior to Zionism at a time when they were even less secular.