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Elon endorsed him. I don’t know if this will affect the election as much as people say, things are really polarized.

How is that BS? You aren’t denying anything I posted, you’re just saying you supported it. That doesn’t disprove what I posted. Things go in circles with you because you declare yourself right based on the Bible and refuse to accept any political or moral arguments because of religious reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9jUdynifAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqVDvnDEJU https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-be-resilient-and-bounce-back-rejection https://www.girlschase.com/content/ups-and-downs-getting-good-girls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hOwNudcVgI

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-detention-base.html https://archive.is/cUQF9 https://www.npr.org/2024/04/28/1247702980/an-independent-review-finds-no-evidence-for-israels-claims-about-unrwa-and-hamas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas @Gennadiy1981 @Nivsch Thoughts on these articles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTgrvy0IvkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdq8HnW0DW8 https://www.girlschase.com/article/killer-reputation-management-your-social-circle

https://www.mtracey.net/p/project-2025-is-just-project-1981

1) Yes, Hamas offered a ceasefire from day 1 and continuously, Israel has been refusing it https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-10/ty-article-timeline/.premium/how-netanyahu-has-systematically-foiled-talks-to-release-hostages-from-hamas-captivity/00000190-9b91-d591-a7ff-fff341120000 2) Israel’s government actually calls for it and is doing it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#Similar_sayings_by_the_Israeli_right https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/netanyahu-from-river-sea-israel-control-1234949408/ Hamas has offered peace giving up river to the sea control multiple times https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/6/24/the-us-and-israel-missed-many-opportunities-for-peace-with-hamas 3) No, oct 7 was not worse than 9/11. I already explained to you why. Oct 7 was also far less brutal than many of Israel’s campaigns on Palestine. 4) Israel is not an oppressed minority, they outnumber Hamas and control Gazas air space, water, food, and fuel. They are receiving f billions in weaponry. That isn’t oppressed. 5) Actually it is not baseless, Israel has a lobby that is spending millions, it is so powerful everyone in congress has an Israeli representative who is always talking to them 6) Hamas is aware Israel’s doctrine is to target the civilian population to try to pressure them, it is entirely possible they expected Israel to commit mass murder to try and make them look bad on the world state 1) What mainstream outlet has said Israel can’t defend itself? Israel also is not defending itself, its doing a revenge campaign. Until recently you would be banned from mainstream outlets for criticizing Israel, people were blacklisted simply for associating with Noam Chomsky because he was criticizing Israel. In fact the mainstream NYT has been exposed as having blatant pro Israel bias. https://theintercept.com/2024/01/09/newspapers-israel-palestine-bias-new-york-times/ 2) The UN is comprised of many nations hired officials, it’s not a single anti Israel entity. For example, every other country has called for Palestine to be brought on as a UN member state, but the UN lets the US veto it and has for decades. If they are anti Israel why do they allow the US to block what every other UN member wants? 3) It isn’t the topic, so stop bringing it up. Israel was founded after Nazi Germany was defeated, so they weren’t escaping oppression from them. The left did support Israel strongly at its founding, but over time this support reduced as Israel committed ethnic cleansing and war crimes. Like I said stage green is biased for the oppressed, so they are sympathetic to Palestinians despite sharing more values for the Israelis because Israel is oppressing them. The same reason why they were sympathetic to Jews when Europe was oppressing them. 4) “they can be” not by the same group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte This is an example of a diplomat who rescued Jews during the holocaust

One side has almost complete military control, international support, and can end this at any time.

1) Would you rather be a Palestinian in Gaza or a Jew in Israel right now? 2) If that is the result of blockade and occupation, why will continuing it help avoid this in the future rather than produce the same result? 3) Does continuing the war resolve this?

We have a transcript of a new interview with President Biden, but some of the answers are worrying https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-transcript-2024-interview/

She’s just repeating Biden’s call for one, they elaborate that it’s not actually a call for a ceasefire

What would be very devious but extremely effective would be China and Russia arming Iran and Syria then pushing them to attack Israel forcing the US to intervene, the US will be forced to spend most of its assets in the Middle East leaving Russia and China to expand their influence unimpeded.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-11/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-says-it-failed-to-protect-kibbutz-beeri-residents-in-oct-7-hamas-attack/00000190-a213-dd20-abfa-fe1748d00000

So if you are against double standards, do you think the US should cut off all aid to Israel as US law is to not provide aid to countries that have nuclear weapons outside of the non proliferation treaty, which Israel does?

- They aren’t defending themselves. Hamas already offered a ceasefire from day 1, and idf military officials admit they can’t destroy Hamas. - No one says they are unqualified to defend themselves. They’ve received billions in aid and weapon sales. - It wasn’t way worse than 9/11, 9/11 killed 3K people, Oct 7 killed 1.2K -They aren’t hated by the UN, the UN follows international law and correctly reports on them breaking it - Yes, none of this has to do with oppression. They are one of the strongest militaries in the world and have a large economy. The people they are fighting have no Air Force are blockaded in a small strip of land and Israel can shutoff their water and gas whenever they want. All irrelevant or baseless speculation What is your evidence stage green Palestine supports don’t want “Hamas to be destroyed”? Generally their argument is the process of destroying Hamas isn’t worth the civilian loss of life or isn’t feasible. If they support Hamas they wouldn’t be so critical of the Israeli government previously funding Hamas. Yes, Jews were oppressed by Europe. That doesn’t mean Jews are currently oppressed in Europe now or that Israelis are being oppressed by Palestinians. - if Palestinians are oppressed, Israelis aren’t, they can’t be both oppressor and the oppressed - The mainstream is generally on the side of Israel and that continues today. The only politicians and media figures who have sided with Palestine are the most leftist. - Multiple former IDF and Israeli politicians themselves have come out and called for a ceasefire purely for tactical reasons. It isn’t just a stage green position.

Yes Green usually is biased with the oppressed, which is why they are biased for Palestinians. Whereas stage blue and orange side with Israel for religious or industrial reasons, stage green generally sides with Palestine because they don’t support Israeli oppression of them. Stage green support for Palestine is not support for killing infidels, that isn’t even particularly relevant as Hamas isn’t motivated by that either despite their Islamist beliefs. The founder of Hamas himself said they aren’t targeting Jews for being Jewish and Gaza has a population of Christians Hamas hasn’t sought to destroy. Also you’re making the mistake of conflating stage green support for Palestine with support for Hamas. Stage green would never agree that Israelis are oppressed and “retaking their homeland”, it hadn’t been a Jewish homeland in thousands of years and Stage green generally doesn’t support nationalism. Israel has a much larger military and international support and control the situation with the blockade and occupation, by definition not being oppressed. The Palestinians were driven off their homeland they lived on for centuries, so stage green views them as indigenous. If you want to continue this we should talk in the Israel Palestine news thread where everyone else is discussing, it is getting off topic here.

How are there more older married men then women?

Needing your support to be based on them having the same values as you is a lower stage behavior, a hallmark of healthy stage green is beginning to appreciate other perspectives such as affinity for indigenous The idea Israelis are taking back their land is based on the Bible and such religious reasoning is lower than stage green.

Now calculate the Gaza death toll in comparison to the relative size of Gazas population. Also throw in the 2008-9 war, 2012 war, 2014 war, and 2018 protest. Maybe you’ll see why Gazans are hostile to the force that blockades them and what lead up to Oct 7 instead of assuming it came out of nowhere. Nothing about this war is taking care of yourself, Hamas is still operational and a paltry amount of hostages were rescued. No one in Israel is safer because of it and they definitely weren’t safer because of the conflicts that lead to Oct 7. ”no one else will” isn’t true either, Israel receives a huge amount of military aid whereas Palestinians have been barred from advocacy for decades.

What evidence do you have they were firing rockets from the school? So all the kids were playing at the school in broad daylight while rockets were flying out of it just expecting to be bombed?