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Conservatives and religious people are more likely to be married in general which opens them up to the possibility of divorce more than others regardless of the actual rate per marriage.

- Irrelevant, it had standard survey procedure, there isn’t evidence they falsify data - No, it says “religious service attendance is associated with 50% lower divorce rates in later life”

Nope. The quote you posted proves my point. The data was from the American family survey which is from the Wheatley institute. The states overall rate is irrelevant, there are many other factors related to that such as poverty rates and different subcultures. Research consistently finds religious and conservative Americans are less likely to get divorced and more likely to be satisfied in their marriages. long-term Harvard-linked study found ~50% lower divorce rates among regular religious service attendees https://hfh.fas.harvard.edu/religion-and-divorce Higher religiosity is associated with higher reported marital satisfaction https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5319260/ Religious participation is linked to overall satisfaction among both married and unmarried couples in urban America https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2533156/

- The article is based on scientific data from a large yearly survey not collected by them. Just complaining about the organization is irrelevant to the points made. - religious and conservative people are less likely to get divorced

https://ifstudies.org/in-the-news/conservative-women-3-times-happier-than-liberal-peers-for-these-reasons

It’s an example of how demanding men pay for women on dates and spend money on them for courtship encourages a toxic possessive mindset, it’s entitlement that creates a harmful atmosphere but some women defend it for their own personal benefit. The truth is they don’t have a problem with traditional patriarchy when it benefits them at the expense of men or other women.

I’m not saying they’re literally studying the dark triad and purposely looking for guys who have it. If they learned about it, they’d actually be better off because they would know to avoid it. The point is claiming the solution is women need to follow their intuition and be pickier doesn’t make sense when in these instances they actually picked the guy that did this. The studies showing dark triad traits correlate with short term attraction are an example of why this is an issue. Its the same if you see men complaining about how they married a woman just based on her looks and end up complaining she was a bad person, and I say men should follow their desires more in who they marry. That’s actually contributing to the problem. But saying that isn’t justifying it.

Acknowledging reality of what contributes to a problem is not justification.

Yep, already seeing feminists spreading the fake news that it was 64 million men in the rape group. As always they spread lies to destroy gender relations and cause hysteria.

Then why isn’t there a correlation

The problem is these demands are incoherent and they just behave worse the more they are met. The feminist narrative for years was it was unfair that men were the ones earning and providing so they did everything to increase womens share of the workforce and income. They just resented men more and now complain it’s harder to find a guy who earns more than them and continue to demand men spend money on them while justifying it with “I do unpaid domestic labor”, or as shown in the other thread even more ridiculous notions like because the patriarchy oppresses women men need to give them money to compensate. Obviously that’s ridiculous because mens obligation to provide is itself part of the patriarchal system, but just shows how they cherry pick. But guess what, the amount of time men spend in childcare and doing housework is greater now than ever before on average. Did the rage at men decrease? No. They just got more frustrated and blame men more for the declining marriage rates. There are other examples of this, for example for years berating men for not being emotionally intelligent and not being vulnerable, then when men started to do it they immediately coined terms like “emotional labor” “he treats me like a therapist” “mankeeping” to shame men for it. My issue is it is incoherent and they just get more frustrated the more men give into their demands. Personally I think the traditional arrangement works best, but I don’t actually care that much. I’m open to any system from pure egalitarianism to role reversal if it is coherent and makes them happy. But it never does. They just demand contradictory things and double down in frustration the more society tries to placate them.

What if we had a way to detect them and put them in treatment before they committed any crimes

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/04/among-unmarried-adults-women-without-children-have-as-much-wealth-as-single-men/

The pay gap is a myth, it is an earnings gap, not women being paid less for being women on a wide scale. Single women currently out earn single men in many cities and women are now more likely to graduate college. I don’t follow how gender based violence means women should expect men to pay for them. That doesn’t resolve that issue and may make it worse. Society judges men harshly for not being sexually successful and men have to work harder to get sex despite desiring it much more. So again why is this standard not justified but womens standards are? Bringing in rape and pedophilia is obviously irrelevant. I didn’t bring up women committing child abuse or sperm jacking because I recognize that isn’t representative. Maybe making porn is predatory but watching it not really. How is watching porn entitled? Maybe if men were saying people were obligated to give them access to porn. You’re just using these words to attach to everything men do you don’t like.

No. Women are freer and safer then they ever have been yet just quadruple down on the extremism and man-bashing. They’ve pulled most influence men have in protecting them from these things and actively push for changes that make it worse and crush anyone who speaks out against it. They’re basically just blaming issues caused by removing patrician structures without properly replacing them on the patriarchy then trying to replace it with incoherent solutions. The only thing men can actually do is defend themselves by not falling for the demonization tactics as they try to group innocent men with criminals to further crack down on men as a whole, which just makes the actual issues worse anyway. It’s also extremely hypocritical and malicious for the same leftists who valorize individualist movements to turn around and generalize men as a whole.

I’m not justifying everything, my point is just saying whenever something like this happens that men suck and women need to be pickier and their intuition to solve it makes no sense when women picked these guys in the first place, yet somehow it’s usually a dig at the guys who weren’t picked and definitionally didn’t engage in abusing partners because they didn’t have them. It’s about what women are picky for. Whenever I see women talking about being pickier it’s not about if the guy is more moral and open hearted and ethical, it’s he can’t give the ick by being shy, has to be confident, rich, masculine, spend more on her etc. which aren’t related to half the things they end of complaining about in the relationship. And saying they should just follow intuition more makes no sense when its well known people in general have intuitions that lead them astray. Women chasing bad boys is very clearly a real phenomenon. Clearly they’d be better off ignoring their institution and using their rational mind in this case.

Most people don’t apply solutions even if they’re given to them, unless they are peer pressured into it or forced to.

If anything they feel more so. I don’t see men bragging to each other about how much they can get their partner to spend on them for social signaling, like comparing ring sizes. I don’t see men popularizing “if he wanted to he would” and other trends all related to expectations in investments from men. There are even viral videos women take of men not giving up their seat on the train for them, or of a wife holding bags while a husband is walking, and tens of thousands of women comment angry at the men for not giving the seats up to women or holding the bags for her. This is a crowd of women saying men are obligated to pay for dates If a man said women are obligated to chase him and pay for his time we’d all say it’s entitlement. You may see its different because it’s women, but then that’s just saying the entitlement is justified.

Based on what? Women are socialized to believe men are obligated to make the first move, pay for dates, protect and provide. You’ve even defended these positions before. Thats also “entitlement” in the same way. You just validate womens standards and dismiss mens needs and desires because of bias.

Studies actually find women find dark triad traits attractive, so simply trusting intuition and what they are picky about can lead to this. Its also not “most men”, survey data actually finds men show more empathy for women than other men.

Reread them or listen to talks from the authors, you need to integrate the ideas more.

Yeah this is getting suspicious. Why is he being promoted so much? Why is he getting so much mainstream attention? The massive rise in blackpillers after the PUAs got purged and shadow banned seems oddly convenient. The media was also massively elevating 4B a few months back.