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It’s actually the opposite, Palestinians and Israel critics have shifted because they realized the liberal Zionists and Israel’s far right are the same. It is a zero sum game because that is how they view it, the narrative they would ever accept Palestinian self determination was just a ploy to buy time to further destroy Palestine. In the case of the left, they used to support Israel. However Israel continued to engage in aggression, expand occupation and settlements, and crush Palestinian protest. Then the left shifted to a middle ground two state support. Israel than engaged in a policy designed to make two states impossible. Since Oct 7 this has become so blatant and it became more obvious the goal was to strangle the Palestinians until there was a reaction to justify wiping them out which is why the left turned away from supporting Israel’s “Jewish state” argument because it is clearly just being used to distract and deflect long enough for them to finish the destruction of Palestine. Every liberal Zionist argument works this way. You once again brought up the Gaza pullout like it was somehow a good faith attempt at peace that Palestinians rejected. In reality Ariel Sharon’s chief aid specifically said the goal was to pause the peace process, and leaked emails show the head of Israel military intelligence saying they were glad Hamas would win the election so they can treat Gaza as a hostile entity. Because that was the goal, they turned Gaza into a ghetto and used it as a distraction to expand the occupation of the West Bank. Going as far as funding Hamas themselves. This is also what happened with Palestinians. There were many polls showing a majority of Palestinians supported a two state solution. In 2006 it was 70%, as late as 2017 polls found 51%. The PA already agreed to it under the Arab peace initiative (and no they did not demand a full right of return to end the jewish state). But every time it just is used as a cudgel to beat them with. What exactly is irrational here? There are long periods of minimal to no violent resistance by Palestinians, Israel doesn’t budge an inch, they finally have an uprising that Israel responds to so brutally it leads to international pressure that they actually stop holding an entire people hostage, Israel puts forward nonsense offers that even pro-Israel negotiators admit they wouldn’t accept, and it repeats, all the while we see Zionists openly celebrating more land being stolen. The former head of shin bet himself noted in an interview how so called liberal Israeli leaders would try to campaign on saying they built more settlements or successfully resisted removing them, and now it was absurd Palestinians would expect to trust them as legitimately seeking a end to their subjugation. In fact exit polls on the election Hamas won even found a majority of Hamas voters in Gaza supported two states. What happened was Israel continued to sabotage two states by putting forward deals calling for permanent occupation, acting like Palestinians block peace when they reject agreeing to their own permanent dispossession, then installing more and more illegal settlements with the stated intention of making two states impossible. Liberal Zionists only ever enabled this. Did they support pressuring Israel to negotiate the Arab peace initiative? Did they support pressuring Israel to remove its demands in its offers which were no-go for the Palestinians? No. Did they support non-violent Palestinian resistance? No, they worked to outlaw it and make sure weapons flow continued to Israel while they massacred peaceful protestors. The UK just did meager sanctions of settlements for the stated goal of wanting them to stop trying to destroy two states, and the liberal Zionists responded with a media campaign accusing them of antisemitism. It was always zero sum to Zionists, it just took the destruction of the people of Gaza for more people to realize this and that by going along with their media narrative they actually ever wanted a just solution was just enabling them. Frankly even that wasn’t enough, at this point they’re physically bringing down the world economy over their insane desire to protect a few hundred thousand squatters. The biggest pushback isn’t even people who care about Palestinians at this point.

That is false, Israel’s regulations were already lower than the US and they loosened them further, knowing Gaza had higher civilian density to allow for more civilians to be harmed https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-loosened-rules-engagement-start-gaza-war-new-york-times-reports-2024-12-26/ The entire country trying to ban the film they haven’t seen yet actually proves that.

For comparison, Afghanistan and Iraq have 10-20x the population as Gaza, and those wars went on for 7x as long, And israel killed more children in Gaza, than were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. Israelis are currently trying to cancel a documentary that exposes this exactly, because they know it’s true but they support it and want it to continue, and the world finding out more would make it harder.

Completely wrong, you have 0 understanding of history or the current situation. Stop commenting on issues you don’t know anything about when you aren’t interested in learning, you and a couple of other users have been posting the same nonsense misinformation for multiple years now and ignoring everytime someone tears it apart and just repeating easily debunked claims while insisting everyone else is just attached to propaganda. If you aren’t interested in doing the bare minimum research stop replying and wasting peoples time.

People often forget Palestinians lived peacefully with a Jewish minority for centuries, and easily integrated refugee populations like Armenians. The issue with Zionism is it was a racial supremacist project seeking to torment and destroy the lives of Palestinians to create their racial supremacist state, similar to the British trying to create a white state on Native American land. That persists to this day. Zionists arguments are just perversions designed to deflect such as post hoc rationalizations like insisting it’s actually their religion or they are the rightful owners, or the actual racists seeking extermination are their victims. This is how actual pioneering Zionists talked:

What was Israel’s intent when it blocked all food and medicine from entering for 3 months to a population of 1 million children, and only stopped when international pressure was so great even Trump said they were causing hunger?

Would that have happened without the critics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHDPfsI5BmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs0vk092UN0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eMzfhqm7pc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgSjIuKjM9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC2ZiPfwf1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIi_xjIMjmU

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/24/israel-water-shortages-destruction-gaza-treatment-plants-pollution-sanitation-crisis

Except it was turned into a speech issue when billionaires began rallying venues to eject him. This very obviously pissed people off who normally wouldn’t care because they do care about artistic expression.

I think it’s hilarious you are always whining on here about Muslims and immigrants yet simp for israel and billionaires when they literally caused the destabilization that increased Muslim migration to the west and lobbied for more immigration for cheap labor. But you can’t envision second or third order effects and instead just reflexively react to the most obvious propaganda and bait imaginable. Ironically you accuse others of being easily manipulated when you are by far more easily manipulated than any of the people you’re criticizing.

Because it isn’t a literal question, she wants reassurance.

Those are more often testing comfort.

Wrong. Compliance is just when she complied with an escalation. She doesn’t have to be in your frame to just agree to do what you requested. Shit tests are testing your congruence and self perceived status through negativity. Throwing it back at her is reactive and demonstrating you lack congruence because you were affected by it.

To make matters worse so much of AI is training on it, and it killed most traditional forums like this one.