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You’re not trying to understand anything, you’re trying to reinforce an uneducated colonial framework. Irrelevant to what I said. Your point was that Palestinians rejected peace by electing Hamas, my point was that Israel already rejected peace when it failed to secure a resolution with the PLO, thereby Palestinians voted Hamas because the PLO had failed. Let’s put that aside, if Israel wants peace so bad why don’t they just ignore Hamas in Gaza entirely, and focus on the West Bank, Hamas was arrested / expelled from there and the PA in charge agreed to stop fighting israel at all. They did exactly what you demand. What was Israel’s response? Seize more land, build more settlements, and kill so many children that by September in 2023 it had been the deadliest year for children since the intifada.

That’s essentially what Lyubov was saying which you dismissed, The only difference is he’s assuming they prefer the short term guys but go for the long term ones as a consolation prize, and you’re saying they prefer the long term ones overall. I doubt this as in most cases I think she’d actually prefer the short term guy also had the qualities of stability and emotional intimacy for a long term relationship, but he either doesn’t or does but won’t stick around and give them to her.

Right, the guys you are describing as “regular” are not what most of us envison as regular guys. The guys you describe as alpha are not what most of us are referring to. We aren’t talking about massive hypermasculine body builders.

I think we are talking at cross purposes then. What you envision as examples of a regular guy / feminine guy and a GigaChad / Alpha, aren’t the same as what we are thinking of.

Then why do guys with careers like club promoters, musicians, or mma fighters tend to get so much more female attention than a average normal guy? Why does a dating app profile of a guy listing his height as 6’4, career as ceo, and photos like a mirror selfie showing abs or professional photos in a suit get way more matches than if a average guy makes a profile with a average job, average height, and average photos? What you’re saying simply doesn’t add up. We constantly hear women complaining about how they can’t find a good man or the guy they like won’t commit and just puts them in a situationship. If they like regular guys this shouldn’t happen as there is an infinite amount of regular guys. Yet we know plenty of regular guys and they aren’t running through women while more women are throwing themselves at them. Most regular guys are fighting over scraps at this point. We all get that most women don’t prefer some massive angry body builder caricature, but your narrative about women preferring regular guys and soft feminine men who chase them simply doesn’t match what we see in the real world.

A counter to this is a lot of male sex symbols aren’t necessarily hyper masculine, they are flowy and dandy like Harry Styles. Rather than the Jocko Willink type.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/attraction-either-there-or-it-isnt https://www.girlschase.com/article/giving-girl-archetypal-romance

It is massively censored so it is mostly for the minority who fall down the rabbit hole. There isn’t even a major active blackpill YouTube channel anymore, the last one quit months ago because of harassment.

I saw this a while back and think this is generally what the average woman’s preference is: Basically it’s not alpha v beta, it’s depending on the situation.

try break through difficult emotions by Shinzen Young https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYmenDQvFKQ

Title seems a bit misleading. Beta vs Alpha isn’t necessarily the same as ripped vs non-ripped. I read some comments from women about that pic and it seemed a lot of it was because his face looked older due to lighting.

Elon deleted the Epstein tweets, looks like he’s backtracking.

Sell your plasma and learn a trade try the almosthomeless subreddit for advice If you have internet access you can try looking for anyone requesting software tasks or a virtual assistant, or Craigslist Greece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6NAC6ajkH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQr70rfwQg

Issue with that is she can view that as him trying to supplicate and buy her affection, and she’ll get the ick and reject at the drop of a hat if she gets a whiff of any neediness from him. I heard a story about a guy taking a PUA training and he was approaching women trying to woo them and getting rejected one after the other, then the instructor banned him from being allowed to take a woman’s number or take her to his room, basically banning him from actually getting any result with a woman, and suddenly women were interested in him, as he finally started interacting with them without seeking an outcome.

This is a good interview with a former blackpiller who managed to get success on what lead him to those mindsets Austen Summers also did a good video explaining issues with the blackpill This is a substack by a scientist that critiques blackpill beliefs with science https://nuancepill.substack.com/t/black-pill-critique @Leo Gura you can supplement a blackpill video with some info from these sources

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf1yt3XTQHM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w27nenP7fsQ&list=PLeztx1--I_i-Uup3kAW7okkR2uGVkJ7pv&index=1&pp=iAQB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCl_zBm2iTM

This is one area I think the advice is damaging, telling someone to “just approach” or “just try” without actually giving them specific advice on what can cause bad reactions, and a path to improve will just result in endless rejection and them doubling down on the blackpill beliefs.

Conversations alone will not fix incels. They are buried very deeply in a self reinforcing ideology. I saw a dating coach discuss how he had a blackpill client, who he actually got to have success, but he said whenever they took a break from coaching he would come back insisting the blackpill was true and he’d never succeed (inspite of what he already achieved), he’d then coach him to more success, and the cycle would repeat. And that guy was not even a bad case compared to others since he was willing to actually listen to advice and try new things, very rare in this group. They are also prone to biting the hand that feeds them. The whole blackpill movement spawned from forums dedicated to doxxing and harassing guys giving male dating advice. The first incel forum before blackpill and incel were even used as terms got taken down because a PUA they went after was also a lawyer and went after them back. Another example is the PUA channel playing with fire had a whole saga where some blackpilled guy named Gangstar or something said their online dating advice doesn’t work if you’re ugly, so they did a interview with him and found he was actually relatively handsome but he used horrible photos and refused to make a move on dates, when they tried giving him simple advice he went nuts and spent years harassing them.

Even when the unattractive man tries to flirt or make a move? Women even have popularized the phrase “ick” to describe when they aren’t attracted to a man, ick is a signal of disgust

But then what causes women to date men soon after meeting them or even have one night stands? Are they looking past the neutrality to do it or do some men somehow have attraction arise organically very rapidly?

I think this is a tactic to try and regain liberal Tesla buyers.

It’s also not 99% of men getting coaching on attracting women, it’s probably not even 1%.

If they are down with sharing, they don’t need 80% of them. Plus estimates were nearly half would be a single and that was before it was clear we are a few years away from sex robots with AI personalities

This is one underdiscussed reason why I think all the talk about mens issues and loneliness will backfire. I was watching this channel from a woman who was a former stripper where she streams with advice to men on how to be attractive, and she actually said that she didn’t even realize the average man had so few options and had to put so much effort to attract women or had similar insecurities to her. While she was empathetic to it she also said it kind of made her less attracted to men, because before when she sees a attractive masculine man he was almost mystical to her, now she just thinks of all the insecurities he might have and all the ways he had to work to be like that. I think guys assume if everyone understood their dating difficulties it would help somehow, in reality it may just make it harder for them and everyone else. I used to be more outspoken about mens issues and wanting them in the mainstream discussing and to be more understood by women, but now that it’s actually happened it seems like a disaster. So many guys argue with women about the male loneliness crisis thinking if they convince them it’ll help them somehow, in reality a woman would likely be less interested in dating a man if she finds out he’s lonely.