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why? Countries without nukes that resist get picked off one by one. Iraq, Libya, Syria.

That wouldn’t be nearly enough. They are targeting banks and energy infrastructure, they also bombed a hospital and news station. They may be trying to turn it into a failed state to cause an uprising. But even that probably won’t be enough without serious boots on the ground. Also iran may go for broke and start bombing gulf oil fields and closing the strait to massively rise oil prices and crash the world economy if it comes to that.

Theoretical? Are West Bank settlements theoretical? Is invasion of Syria theoretical? The US was trying to strangle them with sanctions and arming Saddam while he gassed them long before they seriously got involved with the Israel issue. Let’s say the same to israel then. If you don’t like terror attacks and foreign countries arming rebel groups don’t make your national purpose occupying millions of people and seizing their land.

https://www.972mag.com/iran-israel-war-ori-goldberg/

Those attacks weakened and slowed the program, but they never stopped them from eventually getting weapons if that’s what they chose to do. They never did. The diplomacy example proves this. Their strategy is transparently to maintain latent nuclear capability.

So why didn’t they enrich it to weapons grade? Even if they did that it would take them more time to them build the actual weapon. You think they couldn’t have tried that at any time in the past 20 years? Why did they agree to the JCPOA which kept their enrichment below weaponization, and followed it.

Exactly, it worked out so well for Saddam and Gadaffi

They can, they chose not to. They could have went ahead with it for the last 20 years, they haven’t. They never created weapons grade uranium, and never developed a nuclear missile. That doesn’t match their behavior though. They never initiated a full on confrontation with Israel, instead just sending funds to small rebel groups. They never seriously tried to get nukes. They ignored Israel’s provocations to the point where israel had to go ahead and start the full scale war with them because otherwise they weren’t going to.

Israel knows Iran would never use nukes if it had them, they’d be immediately vaporized. Israel fears Iran with nukes won’t be able to ever be deposed and can continue doing proxy activities against them without any ability for Israel to threaten to try and escalate until it can drag the US in to depose them. Israelis also can’t psychologically accept that they’ll never not face resistance while occupying Palestinians so they always have to project that all the resistance comes from a foreign power and if they just destroyed them they’d have peace. US knows the same, if they really feared it they would stop rejecting the Middle East nuclear weapons free zone initiative, but they block it because it would require israel also give up its nukes. Iran wants to maintain enrichment so it has the ability to potentially make nukes as a way to get a deal to lower sanctions so they don’t end up like North Korea which is permanently strangled, but also don’t want to totally give up their ability so they don’t end up like Saddam or Gadaffi who the US deposed since they didn’t have nukes. Israel somehow convinced trump to demand Iran agree to no enrichment for any deal knowing it’s a poison pill to negotiations, as a way to get trump to let them have the go ahead to strike. Now that israel declared war on Iran their goal is probably - get the international public distracted from Gaza to further or complete the ethnic cleansing - revive Netanyahu’s political career and support base by exploiting Israeli bloodlust and getting them to rally around the flag - get Iran to rush to make a nuclear weapon to spur US entering the war - get the US to feel it’s in too deep and spur them to enter to try and further destroy their capabilities - trigger state collapse a la Syria What Iran is trying to do is drag things out until the US agrees to tell Israel to ceasefire and return to negotiations, with the unsaid threat being if the US enters they’ll strike gulf states oil infrastructure and close the strait of Hormuz radically increasing oil prices which contracts the world economy, as well as fire on all the vulnerable US targets they can reach in the region. They may do that anyway if they feel like dragging it out isn’t working and israel outlasts them as a way to go for broke to try and drag the US in themselves to create a Afghanistan scenario hoping to drag it out perhaps much longer and reconstitute from within a foreign occupation. If the US is dragged in Iran will be a failed state and China and Russia will try to prop it up to drag the US deeper so it expends more resources, and use that time to expand their spheres of influence with the US bogged down in the Middle East and possibly complete the takeovers of Ukraine and Taiwan. Iran being a failed state similar to what happened in iraq would spread to neighboring regions such as Qatar, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria. Trump could potentially use the war as justification for a crack down on civil liberties and his political opponents possibly to remain in office beyond his term. There is some indication he’s testing for that as seen as how he used ice to arrest and try to deport immigrants for criticizing Israel and using the US military to tamp down protests in LA. Long term I think the biggest risk of that would be - Civil war and balkanization in the US - destabilized nuclear Pakistan entering into a larger conflict with India, Muslim population of India at genocide risk (there have been examples of race riots and talk they are threat working with Pakistan) - US backed dictators in the Middle East deposed while Israel’s population becomes more extreme leading to a existential war and Israel using the Samson option

You repeatedly argued with me there shouldn’t be a ceasefire until Hamas is “destroyed”. Of course that ended up meaning the destruction of the entire Gazan people. Convenient…

You were absolutely celebratory regarding attacks that killed civilians. During the pager attack you were gloating about testicles exploding and when I posted a 8 year old girl who was killed you replied dismissively to me. Because the difference is on every relevant level Israel’s Gaza campaign was worse. They have literally destroyed 90% of buildings and openly say the goal is to make it unlivable and force the population to leave. Destroying water desalination plants, blocking food and medicine, razing farm land, have no military purpose, the purpose is destruction of civilian life. Yet the entire time that was happening, no matter how many tens of thousands of civilians were killed, you didn’t want a ceasefire, effectively you’re just fine with it.

Maybe I missed it, but I’m not seeing celebrating of it in this thread. And I can point to plenty of examples from 2023 early 2024 on here that were celebratory or borderline celebratory from the pro Israel side. Israeli media also reported 90% of missiles are fired at military targets. If that ratios not good enough for you, wait until you find out what israel did. It’s convenient to say you just support a operation because it’s hitting military targets, when supporting the operation means everything else it is doing, including the civilians it hits. If I said I support oct 7 but just because it got military targets, would that be acceptable to you? Actually I don’t know why I bother anymore. Your side will never get it.

Don’t worry, they have shelters, no one is blocking their food creating malnourishment, or medicine forcing amputations without anesthesia, they aren’t being shot while trying to get aid, they aren’t destroying 90% of residences and blocking emergency services from rescuing people stuck in the rubble forcing them to suffocate over days on dust. That only happened to the tens of thousands of Gazan children.

WSJ is reporting Iran is asking for a ceasefire, but a Iranian source told CNN its not true. Right now it’s still unclear if Israel went ahead on its own interrupting the negotiations, or if the negotiations were a ploy to help Israel attack with full US support. Also conflicting reports on if the US is planning to intervene or not.

The drive they used to give with all the videos was just removed unfortunately

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/14/israel-iran-war-us-nuclear-program-trump

https://www.timesofisrael.com/damage-to-iranian-nuclear-sites-so-far-doesnt-appear-significant-say-experts/ Israeli media now reporting Iranian nuclear sites have gained significant damage. So either they’ll try to do it with further strikes or they’re trying to pressure Iran into starting to try and make nukes to force the US to intervene finally.

Your image supports what I said. If they wanted nukes they could have made them, but they didn’t and kept the enrichment below weaponization threshold.

Because there is a difference between having nuclear facilities and making nuclear weapons. In order to make nuclear weapons they’d have to raise the uranium to weapons grade enrichment, which they haven’t done.

They aren’t going to free iran from regime and replace it with a better one, they to turn it into Libya or Syria. All the Israelis you see pretending to care about Iranians will be cheering as that happens.

The reason why people aren’t falling for your narrative that it’s all Netanyahu’s fault, is because the people claiming to oppose him like you actually support his dumbest / worse actions. You have never posted anything regarding Israel’s endless war crimes against Palestinians, you just don’t like the war because you don’t like how it politically helps Netanyahu and hurts the hostages. You continue to post debunked propaganda about “ratios” to justify to yourself your unwillingness to be against Israel killing 20,000 children. Now you’re falling for the obvious propaganda that Iran was making nukes and israel stopped them. In reality no credible report indicated Iran was trying to make nukes, even US intelligence admitted this, and Israel doesn’t have the capability to permanently end their nuclear program. (If they could, the US wouldn’t be still asking for negotiations, in fact if the US could they would have joined the strikes, but US assessments held even with direct US support it would just delay it ). They haven’t even struck every site. If anything this strike will just lead them to think they need to make nukes otherwise their regime will always be at risk. At the same time this is clearly to strengthen Netanyahu’s political position, but the same as post oct 7 your bloodthirst blinds you into supporting what helps him. You are not morally any different from Netanyahu, posting pride flags or whatever as though that proves it while celebrating mass murder just looks bizarre and disturbing to most people who aren’t immersed in Zionist conditioning.