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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRIV-fnFXlk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsNN6xaav-8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHGiMiHx_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-tYMsLRlwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAgJGJhsEI

- the founder of Zionism Theodore Herzl drafted a letter to South African colonists discussing how his movement was similar and he envisioned it as “something colonial” - Its not antisemitic to be against a Jewish state, just like it’s not anti-white to be against a white nationalist state. You’ve repeatedly posted the nonsense that there are more Muslim counties as though it’s similar, it isn’t. The Muslim countries don’t occupy millions of the indigenous people who aren’t given human rights based on their ethnicity while actively settling the land with foreign Muslims who have rights for the stated reason of ethno nationalist expansion. Also those countries are considered backwards dictatorships in the west and no one says you are denying Muslims connection to the land or being anti-Muslim if you criticize their human rights abuses by themselves, israel demands everyone acknowledge how western and democratic they are and accuses everyone criticizing their abuses of antisemitism. - The land being holy in Judaism is irrelevant to Zionisms relation to Judaism, it is holy regardless of the nature of the state, nothing is inherent in Judaism that the land needs to be a Jewish supremacist state, it was holy for thousands of years with Jews on it prior to Zionism. The pioneering zionists were atheists. - The primary issue is not denying Jewish “connection to the land”, it’s Palestinians being denied human rights on their own land by the Israeli occupation and its enablers. Israel was actually supported by the left wing in the west for decades and they just used that as pretext to expand and spread propaganda to delegitimize Palestinians. Zionists to this day are constantly saying Palestinians don’t exist.

There’s also one on the assassination history

The existence of attacks and its effects on the psyche do not remove the necessity of understanding why they occur by assuming they are innately unjust and the victims of said attacks given free permission to do anything. Many pioneering zionists and former Israeli officials have themselves said attacks are expected reactions to their actions and they’d do the same in the same position. If a Palestinian said someone wearing a Star of David felt horrible you’d be saying they’re antisemitic and use it as evidence of irrational hostility.

Frame is not about being right or getting your way. It’s about who is more seeking to fit in with the other.

Exactly, then when a Palestinian fights back to stop his home being stolen, literally the most fundamental survival possible, they call them insane terrorists and demand America and Europe give them money and praise. Fundamentally they think only their desires deserve to be considered and if you consider the rights or feelings of anyone else you’re biased against them and their excuse to double down. Its ridiculous how long it has been enabled and the world is waking up to this bullshit.

Probably how people like John Adams and Napoleon praised Muhammad. They didn’t support Islam but saw him as a evolution in law and conquest. Its funny you can read analysis of Islam from the 18th century by people who were raised in hardcore Christian environments and had oriental or ignorant understanding of the world and history, and yet they are often more nuanced and willing to consider historical context than what you can read from people today. It really shows a intellectual degradation.

This sounds like being stubborn. That’s not the same as being in frame.

No, Hamas tactics weren’t different than the average guerrilla milita. There isn’t evidence they hid in hospitals and schools, israel just targeted them as part of their genocide. This is why israel hired civilian contractors to bulldoze residential buildings, they didn’t think they were a threat so they let civilians do it, but they wanted to destroy the civilian areas. For example here they claimed to strike a hospital due to Hamas, later admitting it was just a camera, but that was proven to be a lie. They actually struck 3 times to kill journalists and rescue workers who arrived and provided no evidence any were “combatants”. The problem was the IDF was using genocidal tactics, such as blocking aid from entering causing starvation. For example an Israeli television show interviewed a idf who killed the three hostages who escaped and got murdered and they admitted their orders were to kill every man and they were allowed to kill any women and child. https://www.timesofisrael.com/mother-of-hostage-killed-by-idf-gunfire-says-troops-were-told-to-open-fire-on-sight/ This explains visual evidence and admission of IDF who repeatedly admitted to targeting civilians. The problem isn’t antisemitism or not understanding, the problem is people understand how the IDF are genocidal and Israelis support this because they are a genocidal society. Even the former hostage chief admitted over 40 of the hostages that got killed died for nothing because israel ended up accepting an identical ceasefire deal to what they rejected a year prior, so people like you who defended the war exposed the truth, they sacrificed their own people to kill more Palestinian civilians. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-901047

Try break through pain by Shinzen Young

how bro thought the manosphere would respond to his thread