Tanz

The journey itself is the purpose. From microbe struggling in extreme hot and cold to becoming organized life, destruction, life, destruction, newer life, to now, to the emergence of the real self to non self, repeat, repeat

Its possible but the only way you can discover for yourself is to experience a nondual experience. You are assuming or entertaining there are separate universes. The sheer act of looking outside instantaneously creates another universe. Its the ego that is looking ahead that is the creator. It will be a never-ending loop until you realize in full circle its you. Sure there might be aliens, and if they ever get in contact with us, despite them being more technologically advanced than us they will be more primitive compared to a human that has awakened. If they never woken up to the importance of the observer then they can be considered less advanced metaphysically and spiritually. This will hold true even if the alien race created earth and humans eons ago.

Because even if it were true and somehow there are higher dimensional beings. They can't exist without you, the observer is the central "object" When you created the universe you create a silly cheat code called Ego that created a desire to chase the unknown and to create the unknown. Its an infinite loop. The dog is chasing its tail into infinity. Even if you miraculously discovered multidimensional beings or planes of existence, you will come to realize, motherfucker, its me too. This by default makes the discovery of awakening to oneself the only one that matters. Anything else is trivial and childish in comparison.

You can't get any higher than realizing you are everything and nothing. You are the only show in town.

What makes you think he is orange/green? His muscles? His attractive girlfriend and ex-girl friends?

Thanks for the share. He makes me smile and laugh in a delightful way

The ideal world is already here. It's now

If you waken up, you will recognize everything is love. Even if the protest and riots melt down America and chaos happens that dissolves the country completely. Love is unconditional, which includes destruction, creation and everything in between. Even if a asteroid hits us and wipes out all of life. My ego would not like that but as God it's just as good as the creation of children. Extinction is as much love as creation of life.

@Aaron p There is no way to know how much awaken someone is in this forum. They may or may not be awake more than Leo. Two possibilties that Leo is trying to pull off. One he is trying to push people's buttons to test their own ego and the other is Leo is biased. Someone can be completely awakened and may not be able to articulate it as well as someone like Leo or a great salesman like Tony Robbins.

It is in a way a shortcut but totally boring and a pointless way of going about existence

There is a HUGE distinction between Christianity and Christ. Christianity will ultimately never bring you to Christ because the institution made sure that the only path to salvation is to worship Christ. Staring at the man pointing to the moon rather than to the moon within you.

No but he's a wonderful representation of someone who has had a tremendous amount of love in his life the entire time and never knew it until he had his experience with the toad.

There is no human being in the last several hundred years that has given anything new, groundbreaking, or game-changing. Only a regurgitation of ideas since Ancient India times. Presently 5meo and NN seems like the biggest game-changing hack, that can save a person decades of self-reflection, self-surrender, and meditation, which will need to be done in conjuncture. Allan Watts has started many people on the path but ultimately there is no teacher that can break people past the ceiling that they cast on themselves. Teachers cast about 5% of the path. Psychs maybe 15-30%, and the rest is based on sheer will and willingness to obtain it all and be willing to let go of it all.

I have tried. I dont get much out of it. I get more out of meditating and it's free but if you had a wonderful experience keep on doing it.

@TheHealer I am not sure where you are going but living in the future and creating your hell is not inaccurate. By thinking about the weekend when its Monday is robbing you of being present in Monday. In the context of ET. If you are not in the now, you are robbing yourself of joy. There is a difference of being the future in the now and thinking about how much better your life will be in the future.

@LfcCharlie4 Not really, I have no reason to justify myself not convert anyone from vegan, vegetarian to eating meat. I am just pointing out to hypocrisy that we all live in our lives. There is very little value in having a debate on who is more moralistic than another. Even the idea of spiritualism is misunderstood. As much as a admire people like Buddha, Jesus, Sadhguru, Rupert, Adyashanti I can identify the limitations of them along with myself to transform my own suffering or another own suffering through spirituality. The person that invented the filtering of water. How many lives did they save? One can argue that they alleviated more suffering than those spiritual men. Still speaking in the context of greater or more spiritual is an exercise of the ego. There is no way to measure how far an act of kindness can go vs how far an unintentional act can go. I am not familiar with Advaita.

@Dutch guy You are weighing the value of a tree or plant less than an animal by making assumptions on things. Producing solar panels which are clean energy hurts the earth making them. Rocks, minerals, and the soil have been around much longer than animals. If you can solve this consumption issue with an end product of little to no suffering you will win the noble peace prize and do something, Jesus, Buddha, Einstein or anyone in history was not able to do. You'd have to literally create food and goods from thin air. I'm not trying to get you to convert to eating meat in fact it's better not to but entertaining your train of thought. Your ideas of greater or lesser can get in the way of your development.

Wow I learned something new today, thanks. Nice piggyback to the point I made earlier. Its nearly impossible to consume something without exploitation involved. Unless you live in the woods and make everything yourself from scratch + don't use electricity. I would also like to add in, that rocks and metals taken from the earth are conscious and may enjoy where they are at before humans stick dynamite and blow them up. A well-compensated worker in the mines is risking their life while their boss whom comes from generational wealth is sitting at home banging underaged girls. One was born in the "right" family, and the other born "normal"

@Dutch guy haha I love food and I love to cook and appreciate ingredients. If I had more time and resources I would sail in various places around the world to fish and catch crab and lobster. I am trying my best to do my part in the world Its intriguing that food and sex can feel so good. I am married and monogamous but sex and woman are beautiful inventions as much as tasting food.

@DoubleYou @Tanz Solving the way animals being treated is a large task to fulfill. Pushing people to become vegan is not the way rather become a farmer that raises animals and pushes sustainable farming. I am aware of how to fix this problem but I don't have billions of dollars or influence to create such a movement OR I can always run away from the world. Pick my own cotton, weave my own fabric, make my own clothes, create my own tools, and hunt my own food in the woods, and have a garden but living a life like that would be extreme and not solve anything. How many people can truly say they are living a life where they are certain they are not exploiting another human being, animal, or nature? The servers it takes to run this website so we can discuss something insignificant takes up energy that impacts the earth. Maybe the boss that is running the server is a child molester and he's using his position to gather information on his victims. Or the owner of the servers that this site is being hosted on is a terrorist organization. Leo's desire to save money and lower is the cost to run the site led to using this host. Us being a part of this forum is contributing to all this. There is little point to think in this way because we are all one.

@DoubleYou You are making an assumption that suffering is a bad thing. Furthermore there is a level of dualism believing there could be a world where suffering does not exist at all. There is no one act that isn't love because love is everything.

@Dutch guy @DoubleYou The Buddha ate meat whenever given to him. A billionaire employs tens of thousands of jobs, these people have families, maybe some of them are into spirituality. A garbage man makes sure society is clean and people don't get diseased. Virtue signaling doesn't help. Someone not spiritual at all may live and die "meaningless life" but may have a child that will cure cancer. Weighing one "good" act and weighing it higher than something else is childish. Human morality doesn't always play a big factor as most people think it does.

There are far more unenlightened people that are vegan that I have met. The ones that are hardcore think they are by default higher than anyone who is not. Veganism can be dogmatic and religious, when that happens it brings them further from what they are trying to be. Other than being calmer, I don't feel any less spiritual eating meat and if I compare myself to when I was and now, the person I used to be is a child in comparison to what I am today.

Most of what Sam Harris talks about is for his own survival. Meaning he will choose topics that will earn him the most views/attention and money as possible. He does not do it intentionally, its more of an unconscious choice. His attachment to his ideas and persona limits his ability to bring people together and transform them in the ways he is trying to do.

The experience of suffering and struggling is one of egos way of feeling alive. You can put another emotion or human experience and this would hold true. Anger, jealousy, selfishness, power, powerlessness etc etc