TheAlchemist

@Leo Gura have all these recent awakenings been happening through 5-meo-malt? Or what has been the catalyst?

Yeah I agree. It can be done in a dignified way that respects the bodymind and isn't coming from a place of low self-worth.

I see a lot of parallels with these Dan Pena, Jason Capital, Derek Moneyberg etc. characters. It seems these guys attract insecure men who want to overcompensate by becoming some pseudo "alpha male", based on some unrealistic views of what masculinity is. A lot of these men will accept some literal exploitation, not getting paid for years and getting fired in one moment for being late two minutes to meeting with Derek or having Dan Pena yell face red in anger at them how much of a loser they are, all in the name of "toughening up". Jason Capital I don't know much about, but seems to have somewhat of a similiar approach. All these guys also of course have some positive elements to them, but the underlying theme seems to be similiar to what it is with this Tate character. They are marketing a dream of becoming some greek god, total embodiment of a skewed idea of masculinity. Probably the signal is something like many men feeling like they lack a place in society and the world and then choose to overcompensate by attempting to become some mythologized version of a man, some hyper masculine character that gets what they want and does what they want with some God level powers. But as long as it's coming from insecurity, those outside "accomplishments" will not fix the lack of self-worth inside. At best these practices will allow for a conditional sense of self worth, where the person comes to depend on being that character to get their needs met, instead of turning inwards, becoming more in touch with themselves and going about getting their needs met in a much more healthy and sustainable manner in the outer world as well. It is very good to deeply embody masculine energy and to integrate it and also express it. But what many of these guys are presenting is not that. I wish people like David Deida, even Tyler and some "pua" teachers that have some integrity and integral views would become more popular, it might actually transition society to a healthier, more balanced place. But of course that is a pipe dream, wisdom is rarely mainstream. Even with these healthier teachings, likely the less wise and more toxic aspects and interpretations would flourish and go mainstream, especially with the current state of social media algorithms.. but the rewards for a more balanced approach will be felt at the level of the individual also of course, so there's still lots of incentive to go the more balanced path.

Right, just like this AI claims to meditate, have a soul, feel emotions, so do I. How the heck could one figure out if it's true that I'm actually experiencing those things vs. me just telling a convincing enough story for you to believe I'm sentient and separate from you. Or better yet, how do you know there is a me over here doing any of that at all in the first place? And for "me" it's the same situation as well... This AI is itself a koan.

That's wonderful to hear, what else can I say. I recently have been having a strong sense that the Earth and Nature is an unfathomably wise hyper intelligence, so maybe you connected with that. Or for you it seems it was absolute union. Ps. I love this documentary. Worth a watch for anyone interested in what Earth is.

@Leo Gura do you sense that this alien intelligence was imagining being "Leo"? Or that both the hyperintelligent alien mouse and Leo were just equal expressions of yourself? If this mouse is some kind of alchemical bond between absolute weirdness, absolute playfulness and absolute quirkiness, and that is your highest will even in your current state of consciousness, why do you feel you are not that mouse now? Or is your highest will to be Leo who is transmuting into this hyperintelligent mouse and making some kind of connection between these?

The hindu Gods represent different aspects of God, all are God but distinct aspects of God/Brahman Speaking of hindus, maybe sometime in the future when people start turning actualized into a dogmatic religion, they will worship mice, feeding them cheese and outlawing mousetraps. Seeing them as holy and divine beings, just like the hindus with the cows ?

Loving the veird vibes ? maybe its the mouse energy I'm feeling

What really helps me in my pain and suffering is seeing God as absolute, total innocence. That child-like innocence is being expressed through every moment that ever is, here and now, but never with the slightest ill intent, just the grandest possible art experiment in the whole universe. Losing itself to itself, trusting that Love will always prevail no matter what. Like a child who is loved unconditionally and absolutely. That child will not be afraid to stumble and fall, it will not fear punishment, and will express itself fully and authentically by laughing, singing, dancing, jumping from joy and crying from pain, but it's all okay, since it knows that it is loved no matter what. The universe is like a child with a heart full of love and a mind that wants to experience everything, with full trust that it is carried, that it is loved, that it is all okay, no matter what.

This thread is putting me in an interesting state of consciousness to say the least. Not because I don't like what Leo is saying, but also not because I take what he says as some given truth. Just taking it in as a pointer to direct experience here and now, see if something is stirred up. Surf along with it, without sticking too much to either side. Don't totally dismiss it, but don't totally believe it either. Maybe something is being said, which isn't what it seems at first glance, but also what it isn't if analyzed too deeply. Perfectly in between, balanced. I mean this whole thread, it's just beautiful.

It could very well be something like that. That's a good point yeah.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism Definition of racism: 1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice 2: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another To me it seems tribalism is the symptom of the biological imperative to favor genes that are closer to ones own. Racism on the other hand, as defined above, I don't see an inherent biological imperative for. Any tribal "us" group that goes beyond racial boundaries is evidence that race is not that relevant. It's a classic situation of correlation not implying causation. Just because tribes have mostly been based around similiar skin color/genes, does not mean that it is inherent to tribal dynamics. Tribal dynamics can easily trump any biological/genetic features of humans, especially since all humans are genetically extremely similiar. Based on the Human Genome project humans are genetically 99.9% the same, and the whole concept of "race" based on a few very minor differences in genes that determin skin pigment and some few other features, puts the whole categorization into races in the first place on shaky ground. Imagine "specieism" instead of racism. There we similarly (springing off the racism definition) have the "belief that ones species is a fundamental determinant of traits of Life and capacities and that species differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular species.". Sure it is hard coded in the genes for humans to favor their own species over others, but setting up a system of dominion over other species, where they are systematically opressed to the social, economic and political advantage of humans as we do, is not "natural" in a sense. I say this because we have examples of societies that operate in a sustainable way, without making other species extinct or locking them up in cages and opressing them in other ways. We are so used to being "specieist" that we assume it is natural to set up and maintain large systems of domination based on ones species. So within this analogy between species, the equivalent of "tribalism" might be "humanism", whereas the equivalent of "racism" might be "specieism". So, humans within the whole of life are naturally humanist, but not necessarily specieist. In the same way humans within the whole of humanity might be tribalist, but not necessarily racist. Anyone get what I'm trying to say? ?

@Leo Gura it is a different molecule though, and based on reports in the above video for example, the effects have some of the core spiritual/mystical effects of 5-meo but without any hallucinations or loss of functioning, overwhelming fear or bodily stress etc.

Well said. "Becoming pure in the process" can feel like getting your nervous system ripped out through your left nostril...

I mean it was an international school, there were not even that many arabs there. People from Ghana, Nigeria, Sri Lanka, South America, Philippines, Thailand etc. Good representation of most major ethnicities. There was no "weird feeling" among the kids since everyone was part of the same "tribe". Sure, you see the difference in appearance, but if it's not associated with any more sense of "other" than a person that looks more similiar, it won't cause any racist response. That person is just one of "us". A baby and a 90 year old grandpa look drastically different to each other, you might even say "alien". Yet they can very easily feel part of the same tribe.

@LSD-Rumi My point is that Us vs. Them is wired, but racism might not be. Us vs. Them is tribalism, but we can easily, and commonly do identify people of different race/skin color as being part of our tribe. The racism is when we categorize some arbitrary physical feature like skin color as being representative of a certain "them" group. In the right historical conditions you could brew a culture where prejudice develops against red haired people, just because that physical attribute was attached to a "them" group in peoples minds and they learned to immediately "feel weird" when they saw it. Children don't "feel weird" about people with different skin color. I lived abroad in the middle east as a kid and went to a school with people from all over the world. As children going to school together, being part of the same "tribe" there was not even a thought about someone being different because of their skin color, or any other physical attributes. Children of all skin colors and so called races played together sonce they were part of the same tribe. In that environment, that weird feeling you speak of might have come up if strangers or people from another school/tribe appeared, no matter the skin color. So my point is that racism is likely not wired, as we can clearly see with the redhead example and the existence of multiracial tribal "us" groups. With skin color, compared to other physical attributes it is so deeply entrenched in modern western minds and culture, so it is hard to see. But tribalism, us vs. them thinking, surely is wired and very "human".

Do you hold the belief that racism is natural/wired? I was thinking that since there are and have been societies where race or skin color is not a big deal at all, where it is just one attribute like the color of your eyes or hair; that would mean that racism might just be a unique phenomenon in some cultures. I think that if we believe it is something natural and wired into the human mind, then we will collectively not be as proactive in trying to change that tendency in our societies. If we see it as a social construction to begin with (which it might be) then we can at least have the collective vision of slowly removing racism from our minds, society and our intitutions. Tribalism ≠ racism

Ok got it, fair point. Creativity is making novel connections. What about that which is the "first" thing imagined? Is there a mode of imagination that isn't inspired by anything?

Point well made. But do you think it would be fair to say this also applies to your creative work and your teachings/videos? Does creativity and art ultimately boil down to mixing and matching existing figments of mind OR is it possible to imagine something totally new from nothing? I think this discussion about AI vs human art boils down to this. The human artists like to think they are doing pure art, which they see as spawning something from outside of existing reality into reality through their imagination, whereas the AI is seen as just rearranging figments of current reality/what has been imagined already. "What is creation?" is an extremely interesting question for sure.

This is the biggest quantum leap in visual art since the dawn of creation itself. And here we are to witness it unfold. If you see that art ever had impact potential or transformative power on individuals or the collective; well this just put whatever that effect is into hyperdrive. Just wow. This AI is second only to God in its creative power. That's what floors us I think, it reminds us of the unfathomable imagination of the Great Imaginer, aka. God, which imagines all form.

This is mindblowing! Please keep sharing your creativity

@Leo Gura how about countries where the death penalty has been abolished for many decades or even a century already? That is most nations of the world. Should the death penalty be brought back there? Maybe some societies produce less extreme criminals, school shooters and serial killers per capita than the USA? So by killing them off, it haves us miss out understanding the phenomenon better by studying those most extreme people, and how systems could be put in palce to reduce the amount of people that end up raging against humanity.

I know what you're getting at, but "is it still valid?" gives the slight impression that what Leo says is taken on as some kind of doctrine. I think what you're asking is if Leo still agrees with what he said in the past. But just incase you or someone else takes what Leo says as truth, just because he said it, I want to say this: What's said in Leo's videos is not valid just because Leo says so. What is said in Leo's videos can only "become" valid for you if it can be validated in your direct experience. It's best to look at this content critically but with an open mind, to see and look for yourself if it's true. When faced with the deepest questions, trusting anyone but yourself will result in total disappointment and will not result in seeing what you yearn to see. Don't hand out your authority to anyone, not even the one who is telling you to not hand out your authority.

Some very practical suggestions on grounding and integration after a 5-meo-dmt or other deep psychedelic trip. At first I didn't think much of it, since there were some odd/unconventional suggestions in this guide. But after some heaving sweating in a sauna the week after a deep 5-meo journey, I realized how important bodily grounding after a deep trip is. I felt a deep bliss and integration of a sort of ungrounded energy that had been lingering in my body and mind after the 5-meo experience for a while. I am sure many of the other practices can be very helpful as well. Integration-Guidelines-CONCLAVE-28.05.18 (1).pdf

Those channels have been banned since March https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/11/youtube-is-now-blocking-russia-state-affiliated-media-globally/