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@VerballyHazardous LMAO. This actually sounds like a LeO quote

@ravlondon lmao what did he say?

Zan Perrion, Johnny Soporno, Fluid Social on YouTube

Some models of enlightenment such as Buddhism train you how not to be affected by your emotions, karma, sensations, etc..., in a very thorough way. However, is there drawbacks to doing this? Other models, such as trauma work, emotional release, etc..., emphasize release of these emotions. These two methods seem to be antagonistic in my view and perhaps from a Buddhist perspective emotional release may even be a waste of time and effort. I'm just trying to reconcile how the two fit next to each other since historically they don't seem to go together at all, yet in modern times we seem mention them as if they go together in this path.

@Leo Gura in case you ever leave. thanks for everything! edit: update to thread That holotropic breathing stuff works. I started crying (also intense dreams). Real crying and my facial muscles contorted in ways that my stoic face could previously not accomplish even if I teared up my facial muscles were quite still in the past. Am going to keep at it and also do some of Jack Willis' Neo-Reichian stuff for emotional release. He gives away the book for free actually and is more gentle and thorough than other approaches: https://reichiantherapy.info/book in pdf/Reich home Book.pdf

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@fridjonk seth is FANTASTIC! I meant the forum in general. There's strong prejudice against orange but we'd be nonfunctional if we did not integrate all the stages synergistic ally.

@fridjonk there seems to be plenty of prejudice against stage orange here... if we are making is a binary hierarchy and seeing each preceeding stage as purely inferior then we why you learn from Seth, when you can learn from stage Tortoise guys? The people judging him have not seen 10 commandments. No doubt if you have lingering orange aspects to deal with he would be a great mentor since he's not gonna bullshit and you won't get away with your fear driven spiritual escapism. Lastly, if you already have had glimpses or hold traits of higher stages, then just frame his advice under your green or higher paradigms and the glove still can fit!

@Verdesbird thank you!

I'm going to

@Alexop simpin' hard then eh? if she behaves like that you do not put up with it. hit her with the: "don't be rude, send nudes."

@Serotoninluv brilliant

The Quentin Experiment

Go where people smarter than you reside. You won't feel very smart for too long. Possibly even incompetent.

@Jj13 thx just bought a couple from this list

truer words have never been spoken

Have you considered subconscious aversions towards life it self? A hedonist may indulge to much in life. But a cynic that rejects everything because "I'm spiritual" is the other side of the coin.

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@Pilgrimage of Self consider what the cost of you trying to find the "easy" way has been over the years. I'm 24 and that for me is ALL I need to know. How many more years are you willing to squander giving yourself with the illusion of doing or progress. (I don't mean that in a nondual way LMAO) Where has that gotten you? All those "habits" are good, but none seem to be "real" world things which is making me think you're just using them to shield you from the thing, without actually doing it, yet this perpetuates the neurosis since you're constantly avoiding it in reality. (This is pretty much how I see it myself. I don't even say it with self-hate. But quite simply pragmatically speaking trying to be honest and figure out what the best option is) I heard one thing about a guy that is very "executing" that has NEVER meditated before. His presence has been described as like a 10-year meditator. Why is that? When we get real and deal with the thing immediately instead of putting it off, the thoughts won't fester in your mind. If you are neurotic and just meditate, it can be like taking an anxiety pill or beer for relaxation, but you will feel like shit later anyway since the problem is still there. keep meditating, but remember that putting things off is a defilement in Buddhism, antithesis of enlightenment basically That's exactly what I was trying to say in my passionate, semi-coherent rant. das it peac

Hey man! First off, beautiful name. You made that name for a reason. I think in part you can try to deal with the emotions by meditating and what not. I will say one thing, ever since I decide to become a problem solver, solution-oriented person shit has gotten a lot easier. Rather than "healing" myself, I've focused on the immediate problems I have on hand and committing to fixing them 100% immediately with the least aversion I am capable at that very moment. I'm unsure what they would be for you, but for me they include: -MASSIVE contempt and aversion towards university. That has caused me to fall really behind and even fail an entire semester, take breaks, etc... and my mindset of resistance caused this shit. Would have been easier if I just got the thing done and STFU. Would have been finished a year ago as a matter of fact. -Another one is dating... I'm very idealistic and so I have notions about how things should be blah blah blah, so maybe I rationalize a lot. Probably the same thing that caused me to fall behind with school. But the truth is, if I again STFU and just did the fucking thing that Zan Perrion said or RSD Tyler than I could have gotten this shit taken care of 2 years ago rather than doubting the entire thing entirely and dabbling. Things like this have been my issue. Does it relate to you? Maybe not... But here's what I learned! YOU NEED TO FUCKING TRUST YOURSELF. DO YOU KNOW WHY PEOPLE LISTEN TO LEO, SADGHURU, TONY ROBBINS? BECAUSE THEY SPEAK WITH CONVICTION! So... people readily line up to follow people like this since it helps them take care of the uncertainty and fear. To follow someone who appears to be an authority. Human nature. However, the best person to give that authority to is yourself. You've been in your body for 27 years man. Stop letting those emotions toss you around. You are the best authority over your life. Not Leo, not me, not Sadghuru or anyone else. If you give yourself full authority, then over time your emotions will follow your lead. Definitely not a bad idea to have a mentor in a specific areas if it helps build a certain skill set but when it comes to you personally, you are the best authority and if I were you I WOULD LISTEN TO HIM.

@Leo Gura mind blown. i just did a contemplation on this truth you're talking about. should make a video on this specifically in future

@Inliytened1 ironically, i mix the two up sometimes

dope man, thx. put on my calendar.

Does the path to mastery lead to enlightenment? Are these two very different things?