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A good example of how David Packman (mostly Green) misunderstands Blue: Key thing to notice here: the lack of understanding of why Blue cares about Bibles in hotel rooms and how that makes sense to them. For Blue, God is the ultimate authority figure. God's word is Law. God is how you create order in society and know what is right or wrong. Therefore from Blue's perspective, without God, you are morally lost and lawless. Notice also that Blue is not completely wrong about this. The whole reason so many people follow this stage Blue strategy is because IT WORKS. Of course it is also very limited and eventually needs to be transcended.

Speak for yourself. We don't all have your needs.

This kind of thread is why people think pickup is toxic and women don't want to be on this forum. And they're not wrong.

I didn’t say it’s not important at all. It’s important to some degree. What I said was that your privacy is not as important as your post suggested. You suggested that google is overreaching by being able to see your photos and cancel your account. And I don’t agree. Google cannot and should not allow its millions of users to host illegal files. The FBI would shut down Google in no time. 99.9% of users will never have a problem. Only when people do something obviously egregious like hosting potential child porn will there be problems. Or in a case like this where there was a legitimate mixup. Granted, I’d still like for Google to reinstate the dad’s account. Seems like the right thing to do since he was innocent. But that’s separate from the issue of whether Google should have the authority to see your photos and flag them.

Some amount of division is good. Division can create competition among candidates. If you take no division to its ultimate conclusion, you get a monarchy. Not saying I believe you are advocating for that, but I think it’s good to be cognizant here of the limitation of both sides. Too much division = support is too diffused and splintered. Too little division = authoritarian, lack of choices and a lack of checks and balances.

That’s because it is reasonable.

A bit of a longer example, but contains many Green memes throughout if you pay attention. Notice: Lyrical themes of the song (healing trauma, authenticity, positive affirmations, freedom over fear and conformity) The sign language interpreter (inclusivity for non abled-bodied people) The “letting go” communal ceremony in the middle of the song The sign off message about “changing the world” as the band leaves

I don’t see the problem here. If anything, this was intelligent Twitter moderation. Right-wingers are reaching so hard with this whole Twitter files thing.

I didn’t say it didn’t suck for the dad. I admitted it’s bad customer service, and obviously I wouldn’t want that to happen to me. I’m simply saying OP is paranoid and overblowing the issue.

@MsNobody I personally love all the creativity that feels like it has opened up to me. It doesn’t feel draining to me, if anything that’s when I feel most energized. You might just need to simply and slow things down a bit. See what is really necessary and what might just be unnecessary pressure you are putting on yourself.

Gotchu. Cool project, two of the things I really enjoy.

I think you’re being paranoid. Your privacy is not that important. And google is not “defying” the police. The police didn’t demand google do anything. I’d say if anything this is just bad customer service. One of like a billion bad customer services events that every day. It’s not illegal and it’s not really news. Also this happened like almost a year ago. So I’m not sure why we are bringing it up now.

I can see all that. So let me offer a synthesis. We can say that we have a spectrum of tolerance towards fascism. On one end of the spectrum, we have fascists sneaking fascism under the radar with their fascist shenanigans. On the other end of the spectrum, we have progressives (most likely SD Tier 1) who are unable to see outside their perspective and qualify almost anything outside their worldview as fascism. Both ends of the spectrum produce problems, with progressives increasing political polarization on one side and fascists gaining ground on the other. As well-intending and intelligent citizens, it's our job to stay somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. I.e, call a spade a spade, but don't call a spade a shovel. And definitely don't call a spade a hammer. Making these discernments requires good judgment and clear-seeing, which we can improve by: 1) Studying the history of fascism and why / how it occurs 2) Generating herustics to be able to spot fascism 3) Helping others to spot fascism, which improves our own seeing and helps clean up the epistemic commons 4) Healing trauma and shadow wounds that may unconsciously be causing us to bite on the hook fascism 5) Developing a SD Tier 2 mindset by studying developmental psychology, meta-modernism and integrating the conservative / liberal mind 6) Staying informed and educated on current issues, ideally from sources with steelman positions with 4, 5 and 6 more so being part of an overall strategy of becoming more politically savvy. @DocWatts feel free to chime in as well if you have any thoughts. @Ulax good nuance about policing tone.

@Carl-Richard I’ve noticed myself doing this before to a small degree. It doesn’t seem compulsive or problematic for me. I feel I am able to switch perspectives fairly easily and at will.

Rachel Carson, considered by many to be the catalyst for the modern environmental movement: Notice the difference in paradigm between the scientist and Rachel Carson. Great example of how and why Green emerges.

San Francisco in the 60’s: Key memes: being, not doing. Anti-matierialism, inner happiness.

Found this article on her standing so far: https://morningconsult.com/2023/03/06/marianne-williamson-biden-polling-2024/ And here I think is the most telling statistic: “Just under half of potential Democratic primary voters have heard of Williamson, but only a third have formed views: 20% view Williamson favorably and 13% view her unfavorably.” The way I interpret that, it essentially means no one still knows who she is or what she is about. This is partly why I think 2024 isn’t realistic for her. She just doesn’t yet have the exposure for something like a presidential run. How can you win when almost no one has heard of you? We will see how this number changes over the next two years. I’m sure it will improve. But if she is planning on running again in 2028, it seems like the best move she can make is to use this run to set herself up for that. Think more long-term rather than 2024-or-bust.

I would love to see that. I still suspect atm that her chances for 2024 are nil. But I will be happy to be proven wrong. I do think 2028 could be a serious run for her. She won’t have to unseat an incumbent interparty president. And she will have more exposure and more of a proven track record by then. I also assume Bernie is done running given his age, which means his base needs a new person to rally behind. I think she needs to stick to the strategy she as already been using: just talk about the issues people care about in a way they can relate to. You can talk about God a bit because that’s what you are known for, and Americans still mostly like that. But don’t go into crystal new age land. Because almost no one knew who she was, for one thing. All the people you listed are established politicians. That’s true. That will hurt her chances in a general. But that also hasn’t been the focus of her campaign at all. She is taking a (mostly) secular approach to things, while sprinkling in some spirituality here and there. Which I think is her best strategy. That’s probably true. But Bernie did come close to at least getting the nomination. And I’d argue Biden is more progressive than progressives give him credit. Progressives will not and should not just roll over and play dead. They are going to keep pushing the Overton window. Even if they don’t win, there is some value in that.

She does have the ability to win over some progressives. I feel this is a good representation of how many SD Green progressives view Marianne: In essence, many progressives will see her as kind of woo. But still preferable to SD Blue. The challenge though is that this will be the most charitable response she is likely to get. The lower you go down the spiral, the less people are likely to relate to Marianne. And that happens to still be a huge percentage of the population. Side note, I wonder if Marianne will be Kyle Kulinski’s bridge out of atheism and into spirituality. He seems to respect her. Should be fun to watch what happens.

It’s not correct to blame everything on his Lieutenant. Osho and his teachings both clearly played a huge role in everything that went down. Hosting sex orgies and taking all your follower’s material possessions is probably a good place to start.

He did the same thing in India: https://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/1985/07/rajneeshees_leave_legacy_of_un.html Well then that was his mistake. It’s not enough to just attend to your spiritual practices when you are the head guru of spiritual commune of people who worship you. And yet he couldn’t govern his own communes without the whole thing imploding. It was old.

I don’t see that happening. At the end of the day, the Dems will rally behind the nominee. Which will probably be Biden unless he drops out. Just like they did in 2020.

She is running on the democratic ticket, not third party. So it won’t hurt Biden’s chances against the Republicans: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/03/04/marianne-williamson-presidential-campaign-2024.html

It’s possible but I’m not holding my breath. Trump wasn’t trying to take the nomination from an inter-party incumbent president. He actually had quite a lot of things in his favor, as goofy as it sounds. Osho? You mean like I’ve-got-99-rolls-royces-and-don’t-pay-taxes Osho? I’m fleeing the country if that happens lol

Well she is running. The question is whether or not she will win. Which, for better or worse, I sincerely doubt she will. I also assume she must understand her chances seem nil, which makes me wonder what her motivations are. Just to make some noise and seed a message? Practice run for 2028? Maybe both?