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You can “understand” relativism in a dry, philosophical way. And maybe then it won’t influence your politics. But when your mind evolves and it actually becomes more conscious of relativity, it’s going to influence your politics. That’s basically a description of SD Stage Green. Of course there is an Absolute. But right-wingers have no clue what the Absolute is. They are not conscious of it. Instead they create a false Absolute out of religion, morality, culture, etc.

They aren’t talking about anything metaphysical because they are not conscious of their metaphysics and how it is influencing their politics.

This is a valid critique of guy’s learning social skills. It’s one that gives me some of the most pause when talking about this. Honestly I don’t have a good solution to this problem. It’s a sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. If you take guys with low social skills and tell them to go improve their themselves by talking to women, there will be collateral damage in that process. It could be relatively minor, as in a slightly awkward conversation. Or it could be more serious. But hopefully, over time they will learn and correct any creepy behavior. In the long run this is good for women. The alternative is that these guys do nothing. But this is not a good solution either, because then they will not get the experience they need to fix their creepiness. They’re still just as creepy, and in fact will likely become even creepier. In the long run this is bad for women. Another solution could be that guys just work on these skills in controlled learning environments, like Toastmasters. I do like this solution, because everyone is aware it is a learning experience and is consenting to practice. But the problem is that these environments tend to be of limited real world value. It’s lacks the messiness of real socializing and dating. So I don’t really know what the answer is. As much as possible, any teachings here need to be win/win for both men and women. If either gender has their needs ignored, it will create dysfunction.

Trump’s 2024 presidential run so far being a complete dud. He really seems to be slipping. If he keeps going this direction, Desantis may actually become the nominee.

@Illusory Self You will get mostly shallow stage Green, new age spirituality. Western yoga is basically just a physical practice.

@TheSource Sounds like you had a bit of a freak out, but since then have integrated and interpreted your experience correctly. Minor freak outs are basically par for the course. Personally I’ve not had one of these “you are the only one who knows this” experiences, but some of my awakenings definitely have been on the solipsistic side. You’re blurring all lines of self/other. Overall I’d say great work.

@Hello from Russia A lot of the new age community is mostly stage Green, which is the leading edge of mainstream consciousness. You certainly could do much worse. It aims to correct a lot of the traps of Blue spirituality. Some of the biggest traps to watch out for in these circles are conspiracy theories, anti-mainstream bais, anti-allopathic medicine bias, anti-elite bias, “my intuition says”, misinterpretations of the law of attraction, not taking enough action, and overpriced “wellness” events / courses.

I would be wary of perfectionism and thinking you're going to eliminate all these things completely. Life tends to be messier than that.

That is clearly not what I'm suggesting. Don't strawman my argument.

@Adei Marijuanna is legal to purchase and possess where I live. So I've been experimenting with various protocols to see if it can create a psychedelic effect. So far, I'd say the results have been mixed. I may do a full report with all my trips in the future.

There is no magic answer here. You have to deal with your unique child and the context of the situation. Also notice that even adults have rules they're expected to follow. Some of them formal legal laws, some of them informal social norms. Even this forum has rules. You never get to just do whatever you want. While this could become oppressive when taken to an extreme, it is not inherently so. This is how it should be. That's true. But consider that's not because children are so "oppressed" when they are younger. Consider that part of that may be because they actually didn't receive sufficient boundaries, guidance and appropriate responsibility when they were younger. Regardless, such a phenomenon is complex and multi-faceted.

@Aaron p You know how vampires can only enter a house if you give them permission? That's basically how I tend to deal with people. Unless they've given me permission, I tend to not say anything. They did not ask for my opinion on their life or for my help. If there is an opening, you still have to make an assessment of where this person is at and what they're able to hear. Often I'll just drop little breadcrumbs. If the opening is large or if you're specifically in a learning environment, then you can share more. It's all about reading the context.

Not really. At some point you just have to do the thing. The more you socialize, the more natural it will feel. Which will inspire you to want to keep socializing. You could consider getting a job that requires more socializing.That would force you into a new pattern.

Of course some adults have low levels of development. But generally speaking, adults will have more development than children. They’ve lived longer and their psyche has had more time and experience to evolve. Children can be empowered, but only to a degree. And the degree they should be empowered needs to be correlated to their level of development. Which in most cases is quite low. Otherwise you will create more problems in the child’s life. I’ve noticed that people at a Stage Green level of consciousness want to try and treat children like adults. Possibly because their childhood was genuinely oppressive at times. But they swing the pendulum too far and forget about the importance of being the adult in the room.

Seems unlikely to me this will pass. Too radical a move and too many people who benefit from tiktok. But if it does pass, I won’t cry about it.

@John Paul children are mostly treated like children because they have the development of children. What is oppressive for an adult might actually be reasonable for a child. Standards are rightfully different. Of course some children are actually more mature than adults. It’s a nuanced issue. But generally it’s right to assume that what is appropriate for an adult may not be appropriate for a child.

Seems like a waste of time to me. If Joe wants to run again, he will get the nomination. This progressive campaign is not going to work. Also, I’m pretty happy with the job Joe Biden has done in office. He has been pretty progressive. Who do they realistically think they can run that will not only do a better job, but actually be electable? Most progressive candidates are not electable for something like President. They are too radical. Progressives can mostly win smaller, niche elections.

@PenguinPablo If everyone was Messi, being Messi doesn’t mean anything. Messi needs the contrast of not-Messi.

Which is what? No I don’t mind at all.

I would consider “true MGTOW” to simply be the recognition of the importance of working on yourself for men. But you can easily understand that without all the toxic elements. When a huge percentage of your community is toxic, it doesn’t really much matter if there is supposedly a higher ideal that you are aiming for. Your community is still toxic. It’s not. You can protect against these things without subscribing to a reactionary ideology filled with casual misogyny and alt-right nonsense.

Yes I caught that too. Obviously the GOP rep is cringe. But also, Brian is mostly just reiterating Green talking points on this issue and not really understanding why this is important to her.

@spiritual memes It’s shocking how bad the politics of some spiritual people are. Understanding politics takes deep intentional study and contemplation. You don’t get it just by having awakening experiences, although that can help to a degree. Part of the issue that some spiritual people spend all their time being spiritual and thinking politics doesn’t matter. But then that belief itself becomes your political stance. There is no-not having a political worldview. The other issue seems to be that spiritual people often have a non-mainstream, contrarian perspective on the world. Think stage Green hippies. And although this serves them in some ways when it comes to spirituality, they also easily fall into conspiracy theories and general nonsense. Which makes their politics bad.

It’s fine to take time off from dating or even not want to date at all if you really choose. But as a community and ideology, MGTOW is toxic. It’s basically just a spinoff of redpill guys who felt they were so redpill that they didn’t need women. Avoid it.

I familiarized myself with some of the progressive arguments for defunding the police during the George Floyd riots. They basically say the following: 1) Policing is inherently corrupt due to the racial origins of policing (slave catchers) 2) Modern police do face life and death situations, but the majority of their day is actually quite mundane. Serious action is rare 3) The police take up a disproportional part of any cities’ budget. Because policing does not get to the root of issue of crime, you have tons of money being directed away from solutions that would actually reduce crime (like education, social services etc). 4) Police are given way too many tasks that are outside the scope of what they should be doing and are trained for. And that most of situations do not require someone with a gun. In fact, the threat of violence escalates these situations and make them worse. Although I think some progressives do not appreciate how hard it is being a police officer and why they are necessary, I think there is some truth in their arguments as well. I would challenge progressives mainly on the implementation of their ideas. You cannot just demand to cut the police budget 50% overnight and expect good results. If you want to really defund the police, progressives need to: a) Have a detailed, solid plan of where this money will go and how it will be better than police b) TEST their ideas on a small scale. Get success cases. What unexpected problems have arisen? Troubleshoot and debug. c) Integrate with the rest of the criminal justice system and gradually scale up your solutions In other words, baby steps. The problem for progressives is that even if they are correct, the reality is that people are not going to easily give up police. A progressive might be okay with that, but for the average person, it’s asking way too much. But progressives also often dislike baby steps and like radical change so here we are lol.

I think it’s not as bad as you think it is. Yes democrats need to improve their strategy, that is always the case. But they did well overall. It’s not that democrats can’t beat traditional republican candidates. It’s more that when people are upset, they will often vote more favorably for the opposite party in charge. Doesn’t matter if it’s that party’s fault or not. At the end of the day, consciousness evolves, the Overton window moves, and we become more progressive overtime.