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That’s definitely a problem. Obviously people can use AI for nefarious means. There are criminals using GPT-4 right now to advance their criminal agenda. So certainly there needs to be due diligence, humans laws, regulation etc. What exactly that looks like, I don’t know. However, if the AI is still obedient to Putin, then it’s obviously still within human control. It’s not some vast superintelligence running circles around humanity as it seeks to wipe us all off the face of the planet. Which is what the author of that Time article was talking about. Even Putin does not want such a thing.

Follow up to my previous post in this thread. I found this video of Bashar talking about A.I: In it, Bashar essentially argues that the end goal for A.I is to be a physical representation of our Higher Mind, which in this case I would call our God Mind. Further more, he argues A.I will not simply just go against what is best for humanity. Such a decision would not actually be intelligent. You can find further small clips of Bashar talking on this topic with a quick search on YT. I think his perspective could be a bit overly optimistic. "What is best for humanity" could be interpreted in many different ways, ways that we might not actually like. Nonetheless, I feel it confirms some of the earlier suspicions I wrote about ITT. This whole idea that a SuperIntelligent A.I would automatically be interested in harming humanity is highly suspect. You cannot just assume this at all. Of course I also don't think humanity should be reckless and just go on mindlessly building AI. There will be all sorts of challenges created by A.I even if it is perfectly on our side. Due diligence needs to be done. If that means a temporary pause while we figure somethings out, I have no problem with that. However, I'm not buying the panic on this one. I don't think you can claim you know, within reasonable probability, that A.I will be dangerous. It's an unsupported conclusion at this point. You could fire back that I also don't know that A.I won't be dangerous, thus it's wiser to take a cautious route. But there are also costs to taking the cautious route. The longer you spend being cautious over a potentially imaginary fear, the longer it takes for humanity to develop a SuperIntelligence that could help solve many of our problems that we actually know exist. Realistically we need an intelligent balance of caution and forward progress as we navigate this new terrain. I don't think shutting down the whole thing is the answer.

Read the article Leo posted. It certainly seems like risk management is not being taken seriously enough on AI. Multipolar traps may be the end of us all in this case. Companies and nations all fighting to win the AI race creates an incentive to slash concerns of future catastrophe. I think this is the author’s strongest point. My biggest critique is that he doesn’t clearly show a link between how superhuman AI automatically leads to AI wanting to kill us all. He seems to assume it’s a given that superhuman AI = death of humanity. That may be possible, but I don’t necessarily buy his chain of causation. It’s more plausible to me that such an intelligence would not be interested in wiping out humanity. Nor is it clear to me how it would even be able to do so if it wanted. Destroying all of humanity is no joke.

It’s amazing how fast some of you guys are assuming you already understand alien intelligence.

I have many more questions, but I think I’ll leave it there for now. Wait for the course. Encouraging, thank you. Assuming you are correct about all this, I actually find this exciting. It means our collective understanding of God and spirituality is continuing to evolve. It’s not just a static, timeless Truth that humans have completely understood 5,000 years ago. This would be the cutting edge.

Great. But intended for me or not, you are still downplaying what Alien Consciousness could potentially mean.

You’re not saying it’s not worth it. And that’s good. But you are in subtle ways downplaying the value of such an insight. My prediction is that if you actually experienced Alien Consciousness, your fucking head would explode. And you’d never be able to say that such a thing was just a “fascinating show” or just “another form”. It would change your entire life AND your entire understanding of spirituality. Why are you assuming that I haven’t done that already? Or that I’m not happy already? I’m legitimately one of the happiest people I know. My life is amazing. I almost feel guilty at times for how good it is. Yes, seeking comes with a certain amount of “incompleteness”. This is not a mistake. I enjoy seeking. Do not denigrate the seeking impulse. That is a monster trap. The best possible option is actually that our understanding of God and spirituality is continuing to evolve. This is more exciting. This is cutting edge.

How does this relate to Omniscience? You distinguish Omniscience from Alien Consciousness. Yet it seems like you hold them both as the pinnacle of awakening. It would seem to follow that even mega doses of psychedelics may not be enough to comprehend reality at the level. We may just be limited by our own brains. Although you were able to do it for a short time, so it’s at least possible.

You don’t know that. You don’t know what Leo means by Alien Consciousness. And neither do I. But I don’t think Leo is making such an obvious error. Alternatively, if it just “more form”, then it’s clear he thinks it’s a highly relevant form. And maybe there’s good reason for that. My point is we just don’t know. Let’s have a little bit of faith in Leo. He obviously feels it is important.

Actually I think the idea fails. Where did the alien come from? At some point, the answer has to be pure Infinity. Fair enough. I don’t think at this point we are supposed to understand Alien Consciousness or understand why Leo thinks it matters. Obviously that would come with more experience. My point is simply that I’m open to it. If Leo thinks it matters, then I trust his opinion on this at least enough to investigate. I think he has earned that. If he is wrong, then that should also become clear.

That’s true. But I’m pretty sure a marble being played with by a physical alien is not literally what Leo is referring to. Men In Black is obviously a movie. It’s not going to be equivalent to whatever Leo is talking about. You can argue that Alien Consciousness must be irrelevant because it must be preceded by Presence, but I don’t think Leo is overlooking this point. I’m going to give him more credit than that. That would be a very newbie mistake to make.

Who is defining what is and isn’t a hallucination? And how do you know your definition is valid? What if there is no meaningful distinction? If by alien supermind you are referring to Leo’s latest insights about Alien Consciousness, I would say we have no idea yet what Leo even means by this. He has said very little about it, and the little he has said, it seems clear he thinks it’s very important. This is probably true. Possibly there is another path, but it’s hard to say.

I can’t say I’ve verified some of the things Leo talks about these days. But I think there is a realistic chance he has discovered something new about spirituality and has gone beyond at least a lot of other teachers. I’m willing to gamble on that.

Delusional rationalizations. If you’re a woman and you meet a guy who says things like that, just delete him from your life. Granted, if you want to do some sort of consensual polyamory, that could be a valid couple choice. But that’s a much different strategy requiring arguably more maturity and honest communication to make sustainable.

I interpret it as a statement of surrender. Surrender of the egoic agenda and opening up to an acceptance of all things. It’s necessary to look beyond the technical words people are using and get to the essence. Interpreting people’s words too literally is a trap. Get to the feeling.

@Kingston Congrats! Awesome report

Hi, welcome to the forum. From a certain perspective there definitely are similarities between us and “the herd”. I think it’s important to not get too much of an ego about that. We have struggles. We procrastinate. We are self-decieved. We avoid the work. At the same time, there is a fundamental commitment here to something higher. Towards truth and being non-ideological. Towards self-honesty and understanding. Towards the greatest potential of your life. Make no mistake, there are people here doing the work and getting the results. People who are highly intelligent. You can have conversations here you can’t have in a lot of other places.

Eight years ago since I started following your work. Thank you

Excellent interconnected, sprawling talk by a channeled entity named Bashar. Topics include everything from the nature of consciousness and advanced alien technology to life purpose and shifting beliefs:

@Mada_ what does her actual diet look like? Beliefs about food aside. What does she actually regularly eat? A lot of women I’ve dated have had challenges with eating healthy and / or body image issues. And they were unhappy with it and wanted something different, but never made a change. Your girlfriend may be the same. So I’d support her where you can, but otherwise let it go. This can be really challenging for women, who have a lot of extra societal pressure on their physical appearance.

That’s a pretty smart alien. Good find.

Some amount of caution here is certainly warranted. We are only debating over the degree. 18 seems reasonable. We don’t even let kids get tattoos in the US until they are 18. And being cleared by a mental health professional also seems like a good idea. She may be a bit idealistic, but I think Marianne is striking a decent balance so far. Finding some perfect balance is extremely challenging. At some point, good enough is good enough. I wouldn’t say I made this thread with the sole intention of focusing on Marianne’s chances of winning. Conversation is meant to flow and change. There is some wisdom in letting it go where it needs to go.

I like her progressive vision and passion. She also is steeped in non-duality via ACIM, which is an interesting shift. My main concern is with her lack of political experience. It also doesn’t seem realistic to believe she will actually win the nomination over Biden, assuming he runs.

I think most people have said what they wanted to say already in terms of Marianne's chances of winning. We made our claims, now it's time to watch and see what happens. Here is what her website says about her stance in terms of LGBTQ+: https://marianne2024.com/issues/lgbtqia-plus-rights/ Her stance clearly favors the progressive POV. Which generally I also approve of, simply because I think the harm of most conservative policies outweigh the harm of most progressive policies on this issue. Ideally we could address the concerns on all sides. Regardless, it's extremely naive to think this territory will navigated without many problems occurring, no matter what choice you make. That is simply not how politics works. The way politics works is that even when you make the BEST decision, a whole bunch of fucked up things still happen. And then we spend the next couple decades fixing all those things, and the cycle repeats over and over. Also, I do not seriously see Desantis' policies on LGBTQ as a slippery slope into fascism. Leo is correct on this point, and I think framing Desantis this way likely does more harm than good. Which is not to say I support any of Desantis positions.

I don’t think Trump is going to be president again regardless of whether he goes to prison. His strategy is not sustainable.