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I agree that we can and should make a distinction between fascism and conservatism. And that some of today’s modern conservatives have legitimately slid into a territory that should be labeled fascism. I think what I am getting stuck on with this topic the degree of relativity when it comes to labeling things as fascism. For instance, @DocWatts you say that normal conservatives will be open to basic human rights already extended within the overton window and not eradicate them. And I think that’s a good rule of thumb to distinguish between healthy and more toxic conservatism. However, the whole problem is that progressives and conservatives do not sometimes agree on what is a “basic” human right in the first place. A progressive might argue that LGBTQ marriage is a basic human right, while the conservative does not see it that way at all. Does that make the conservative a fascist? Whose relative definition of a “right” are we using? The error I feel I see a lot of SD Green progressives make is that they are implicitly assuming that their relative definition of “rights” are political truths are actually absolute. And they are not. This leads to a noticeable amount of progressives labeling conservatives “fascist” when that label really just doesn’t fit. Or, the label itself just become pointless because essentially conservatism = fascism in their mind. @EmeraldTo use your example, if conservatives rolled back the majority of the progress that has been made for the LGBTQ community, I would appose it. But I would not generally call it fascism. I would call it conservatism. Rolling back LGBTQ is precisely what conservatives are interested in. We also saw this with the overturn of Roe V Wade. Many progressives called it fascist. When in reality, this is just what conservatives want. This is what conservatives fighting against “crazy social experiments” looks like. To them, abortion IS dangerous leftism out of control. My concern here that a) we become unable to distinguish between conservatism and actual fascism and b) an increase in political polarization by labeling those who disagree with you as fascists. This labeling does not come without a cost and needs to be applied accurately.

It really seems to be like fascism is just conservatism taken to its most extreme. Almost all of these points could be made of standard republican conservatives we have in the US. And yet I don’t see them necessarily as fascists. It’s more like fascism-lite.

Interview from Tubby Love, guy in the video: “TJ: What kind of spiritual influences do you have in your life? What pulls you? TL: *singing* “Jah Love is everywhere!” Jah man. TJ: So Rastafari? TL: I believe that Rastafari is one way to say it, but it’s the same. It’s all the same to me. TJ: Just God. Just Jah. TL: Yup I and I. Like I said earlier, I’m a sprit inside of a body, and I feel like the breath of life, Aloha, the breath of life is in everything. Everything is alive. Everything is moving. These walls around us are made out of trees. You know what I’m saying? It’s all connected. I believe in the connection of all things, and I believe that’s what I and I is. I am this, I am that, I am comma that. So the same breath that is in me is in all beings. I and I! “

Andrew Rousso is mostly Green. This a good example. Key memes: anti-producitivty, worker unionization, government regulations

*scientist opens up Leo’s skull after death* *sees only a paper note with writing* * “The brain is imaginary, you fool” * *scientist Awakens on the spot*

None of that means women are “too picky”. You are defining pickiness relative to what is good for your dating life. But consider that is your problem, not the problem of women. Consider instead what is in the best interest of women.

Yes it’s related. “Whiny” can be similar to having a victim mentality.

More like: Liberalism wants to address larger societal problems related to patriarchy and toxic masculinity which lead to rape. This correlates with an increase in responsibility for men and all those in power to not abuse it. It’s not about victim mentality, it’s about a leveling of power dynamics and higher ethical standards. That’s what Green cares about. Of course some progressives can get stuck in victim mentality. But to smear all this as being “woke” or “being a victim” is precisely the error the right wing is making. That is a strawman and cherrypicking.

Yes, feminism and acillary progressive ideologies are demolishing traditional ideas of what it means to be a man or a woman. This is not a mistake, this is the evolution of consciousness and natural consequence of societal development. But there will be challenges on all sides. Those who cling to their old identity will see said new ideologies as wrong, bad or evil. They will lash out and feel confused. There may be an existential crisis. This is how it always works when the ego is threatened. With all these emotions being stirred up, this does create a market for grifters to exploit. And most of the time these grifters themselves will not even be conscious of what they are doing. They are suffering from the exact same problem. They also are subscribed to these reactionary ideologies. Thus, it's fearful men selling to other fearful men. Men are going to have to redefine masculinity outside of what it previously meant. Which may include some of the traditional elements, but also will likely exclude others. Transcend and include. Of course this does not explain ALL of the behavior found in these alt-right communities. Some guys are just pissed because they've been through a real bad divorce / breakup and these anti-women narratives appeal to their bitterness. But there is a larger dynamic going on outside of that.

@Someone here Of course some liberals can be very immature and irresponsible. But I’d argue your read of the room is off. A liberal who has made it to stage Green tends to actually be more responsible than conservatives. What you interpret as liberals not taking personal responsibility is actually an increase in their circle of concern. Which transcends and includes personal responsibility.

Key memes: environmentalism, late-stage capitalism, selfish individualism, anti-consumerism, privilege, egalitarianism, protesting for social justice.

Didn't dispute that. There are people who claim to be breatharians and have gone a year + without eating. And I'm tempted to believe some of them may be telling the truth. Of course it does. Springwater absolutely has electrolytes. Worked for you, you mean. Health is complex. There are many factors. None of this is in dispute either. I've done lots of fasting and continue to do so even to this day. I don't think fasting in of itself is a hoax Still, we have to distinguish between people for whom fasting may be indicated or contraindicated. Every trained health care professional understands this. If you just sloppily assume your method will work for everyone, that's often how people get hurt or even killed. In addition, we have to distinguish between reckless forms of fasting and fasting that is likely safer / healthier. If it's true that OP had never done a fast before and immediately jumped into doing 21 days, I'd generally consider that reckless. I cannot imagine almost any situation where that would be indicated. May be in an extremely small minority of cases. In that case, I'd say Tanglewood is on questionable ethical ground by even allowing him to do such a long fast. If you really want to do 21 days, a better approach for most people would be to start slow and see how your body responds. Start with even just 24 or 72 hours. Can you even manage that? That alone will be extremely challenging for a lot of people. Jumping into 21 days is like doing a breakthrough dose of 30mg of 5Meo on your first psychedelic trip.

There is nothing I’ve seen that suggests such a thing when it comes to electrolytes. https://healthreporter.com/does-salt-break-a-fast/ https://healthinsider.news/electrolytes-while-fasting-diet-en/ Considering that the consensus seems to be that you will rip through your electrolytes in the first couple of days, you are still likely better off. Then I’m happy for you. I’m willing to say that whatever Loren is doing is probably working for him. And it may even work for a number of people. But in the case of OP, it sounds like a disaster.

My guess is the most immediate side effect would throwing your electrolyte balance off. Which could lead to problems with hydration and probably a whole host of other things. Long-term I’m not sure. There seems to be some correlation with salt and hypertension. But I don’t feel qualified to really say.

And all the techniques are named in French

So you actively dump 4-6 teaspoons at day on top of your food? That does sound like way too much to me. Personally I’ll do about a pinch or two per day.

How much is a lot? You definitely want some salt in your diet. Ideally in a high quality form like sea salt or pink salt. But you can definitely overdo it as well.

@Noahsteelers34 Why on earth would they tell you not to take electrolytes? The whole thing just sounds reckless to me. For the record, I also had a bad experience with a water fast. Mine was not 21 days but I definitely felt like shit afterwards. I bounced back though, and I bet you will too.

That is what people in this thread have been saying. I don’t think you are onto to some new paradox we are not aware of.

That is basically what humanity has been doing for the last several thousand years. We’ve are constantly evolving our collective ego strategies. So it seems almost certain it will continue to evolve in that direction. We just have to keep nudging it forward.

So then what is your point? It sounds like you are alluding to something but not saying it.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here. God is still God even when it imagines itself as a butterfly. Yes. The fact there is nothing outside of God to tell it that it is not a butterfly is why it is able to imagine itself a butterfly in the first place.

It sounds like you’re trying to make a “no-self” argument. Yes we could look at it like that. There is no one to experience God. And yet you are God and clearly can experience yourself as such.

Yes. But from a practical POV, you will not experience yourself as God. For you, there will be no difference. Which is the whole point.