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I appreciate your honesty. And I’m glad we’re talking about this because it’s important. Here is where my perspective differs. I’ve also been evicted. I’ve also seen the effects of poverty. I know what you mean when you say that “society doesn’t take care of people”. And certainly we do need systems like UBI, education, etc. I’m not dismissing that. What I’m saying is there needs to be a surrendering. The reason society doesn’t take care of people isn’t because it hasn’t tried. It’s precisely because we are so wrapped up in our survival needs. This is why Maslow’s needs distorts things. It paints this linear progression where one cannot be help unless they have adequately secured their own individual needs. It says “once I take care of me, THEN I’ll be of service. Then I’ll help.” But it’s precisely that mentality that puts us all in competition. It reinforces the separate self that must fight for itself. And we never get to that point of “enough”. In order to transition to a Green economy based on sharing and gift, individual needs must be surrendered to the collective. Ironically, this is how we will get our individual needs met. This is how people will be taken care of. Anyway, I think we agree for the most part. I’m making a subtle point. I appreciate you pushing back on my points.

I don’t doubt this is what cities do. And I don’t doubt that those things you just listed are essential. But from my perspective, it’s time to be less “practical”. Despite decades (centuries?) of humans focusing on their survival needs and trying to handle that “first”, it hasn’t succeeded. I have problem with the way many people use Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. It can create a situation where people believe they must constantly put off what they really care about for the sake of survival. This is the game the ego plays. Salvation will be in the future. Just a little bit more survival. That has to end. It’s time to do the things you really care about and live the life you want right now. I’m not saying things will change tomorrow or that these problems aren’t complex. I’m not saying to not care about economics or education. But if we care about art, start measuring it now. It’s time to make it a priority and not just some fluff thing that isn’t “as important”. And stop being so beholden to a system that tells us that’s not possible.

Love it. The potential is definitely there. As long as coronavirus sticks around it's practically a no-brainer. This is definitely something to be mindful of, which is why we have to have a holistic approach with UBI. In theory we may get to a point where those social services could be cut. But this will only happen if strong communities and decentralized, local economies have taken hold. As long as things are centralized the welfare state is necessary.

@SS10 Sacred Economics by Charles Eisenstein Less is More by Jason Hickel Terra Nova by Dieter Duhm Operating Manuel for Spaceship Earth by Buckminster Fuller The Best Money Can't Buy by Jacque Fresco The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter

@Luc1nda The problem with tech is that it has been co-opted by the ego. Thus, much of our tech is low consciousness and does not serve the well-being of the Whole. The good news is that higher consciousness tech does seem possible. After all, building tech is a Gift that humanity has been given. We're really good at it. But that skill, that gift, must now be directed properly towards service. So I don't use much tech right now. Most high tech items are probably my iphone and a laptop. But honestly, if I felt I could reasonably get rid of those, I would. I don't feel they inherently bring me joy, it's more of a societal obligation to have at this point.

@yangmilun I would say the ones you listed are good. But keep in mind, being higher consciousness will not automatically stop you from participating in low consciousness systems. New systems are going to take time to develop.

Sure those sound good. And we could implement many others I'm sure. For instance, if we value beautiful art as a society, why isn't that somehow measured? Why not include that in the criteria of success? How about increase in community or family time? Or an increase in people expanding their consciousness? In other words, what do we really value? Like actually? Not some bullshit like GDP. That is meaningless. We need to determine what we really value and measure that. At the same time, we need to understand that any metric of success is still going to fall far short of encapsulating the success of a policy. We have to accept that some things just can't be quantified. And many of those things are what matter the most.

@NatureB Cannot wait to see UBI enacted in a place like NY. If it's successful, that's a game changer. Keep in mind we have to understand what it means for a policy like UBI to be successful. Criteria of success is huge. If we assume success of a UBI means that NY expands its economy, likely politicians will be disappointed and claim it "didn't work". But if we understand that the purpose of UBI is a disruption of wage slavery and people being forced to participate in exploitative systems, now we have a much different measure of success. And this might be more difficult to quantify. Can we quantify how much beautiful artwork might be produced because artists are no longer so strapped for cash? Can we quantify how valuable that is? How beautiful it is? We may make attempts, but ultimately we will have to see that the success of UBI will not be seen in many numbers. It will be in the difference of people's hearts. Of course, UBI is also not a panacea. That's another trap. But I do see it as one potential crucial piece of the puzzle.

@Renee_7777 We have to recognize that the lack of connection we may be experiencing is not just an isolated, individual problem. It's a collective, societal problem involving everyone all at once. Millions of people are feeling disconnected and that cannot be chalked up to individual dysfunction. That's a total system failure.

Well as long as you know . I'd recommend club promoter, bartender or photographer as a career choice. Don't get herpes.

Depends on how conscious the couple is. The more conscious they are, the more likely they are to genuinely care. Technically you're right. You could be a toxic, egotistical fuckboy and still get a girlfriend. But if your only reason not to be toxic is to get a girlfriend, that's quite a toxic point of view.

Interesting that this thread has evolved into more of a general discussion about how necessary social connection is. My perspective is that shadow forms of socializing do exist. But no amount of enlightenment is going to remove your need for social connection. And in fact, when we don't have our social needs met in a healthy way, that's when the shadow forms of socializing start to appear. However, we can view connection as a need that goes much deeper than just between humans. I can be connected to the trees. To the sky. To literally all of existence. It's not something just found between humans. So the next step for humanity is not only to heal our relationships with each other, but to heal our relationship with everything.

Assuming those actually are the "top girls" you should be looking to attract (they're not), the answer is yes and no. The absolute biggest reason why you will not date those girls is because you're not a part of her world. You don't go to the same events that she goes to. You don't shop where she shops. You don't have the same friends that she has. You probably don't even live in the same city she lives in. Really think about this. How often do you even meet a girl that looks like what you're talking about? The answer for most guys almost never. So even if you were super fit with super tight game and money and all this, unless you are a part of her world, it's highly unlikely it'll ever happen. This is why guys who are photographers can do really well with these kind of girls. Maybe they don't make the most money or anything like that, but they're in the world of modeling. And so they're meeting these girls constantly, especially the bigger their brand gets. So really it's more about being in the right place, the right environment and knowing the right people. And it's not that difficult to do. I was chasing these girls for a while living here in Miami and had some success. Once you've made the right connections it can happen really fast. It snowballs. This advice also applies to any kind of girl you're looking to attract. Not just models or whatever. If you're looking for spiritual yoga girls, are you a part of the world of a girl who lives like that? So really I find it's better to just be centered in your values. Because then you'll meet the right kind of girls who also resonate with what you resonate. Rather than trying to distort your values to what you think a girl might want.

@levani There's a book called The Charisma Myth that's decent. Just spend a lot more time in social situations, especially around people who you already consider charismatic. They'll rub off on you. And then also just do the inner work, e.g shadow work, trauma release, etc.

@Christdas Hilarious, but this is actually how it happens for a lot of pickup guys. This is how fuck boys are born. You take a guy who was used to be feeling burned and used and then they flip it around and treat girls like shit. Not saying it's healthy. It's just what I see happens.

@Scholar I agree it gets dysfunctional at times. I would to see more examples of non-violent communication between people on here. Especially when it comes to these polarizing topics. At the same time, you'll be hard pressed to find any community that doesn't suffer from the same problems at times. We're not very good at relationships yet.

@GroovyGuru Most people invested in crypto are engaging in glorified gambling. They have very little to no interest in the social impact of their investing, they are just trying to beat the market. That said, I see crypto as having the potential to disrupt the current economic system. Anything that messes with the money supply is a big deal.

@SamC I find Sadgurhu ignorant on a lot of subjects. This is one of them. Yes, Ayahuasca isn't the end all. But he dismisses it as if it's just a waste of time, minus maybe some digestive cleansing and emotional relief. Tell that to the thousands or maybe even millions of people's lives who have changed from taking aya. Tell that to the people who have cured their cancer. Tell that to the tribes and shamans that have been using aya since their inception to heal people and connect with Spirit. If psychedelics aren't your path, fine. And certainly being able to achieve non-dual awareness while sober is critical. But I find his position lacking.

Money is the main tool that has allowed society to grow to the level that it has, for better or for worse. Prior to money, exchanges would typically only occur between people who had a deep level of relationship. But as a universal value, money allows for transactional, anonymous exchanges between people who have no relationship. This is what allows something like a large city to exist, where many people don't know each other. As long as you have money, you can get what you need from a complete stranger. One of the downsides of this is that people now lack strong relationships. As the realm of money grows, more and more aspects of human experience that were previously based on relationship become transactional. My sense is that we're heading for an integration. It's highly unlikely that we will be getting rid of money anytime soon as a tool, but it is going to decrease in importance. More and more human experience will be moved back into the realm of mutual aid / gift. This is what is necessary for a Stage Green society to emerge based on community and relationship.

It's definitely okay to do that. Just be genuine about it. She may not be willing to answer you though. Or she may simply lack the self-awareness to know why she really cut contact with you, beyond what she is telling herself.

What is it specifically that you feel makes you angry?

Yeah you got it. Almost everything in nature is interdependent. The benefit of independence is that you don't have to rely on anyone and no one relies on you. But ironically, the cost is exactly the same. Do you really want to rely on yourself? And of course most people in western culture would say "yes!". But this is just a product of our particular culture. No wonder people are so fearful and constantly feel like they have to fight to survive. They are trying to rely on themselves instead of seeing support all around them. And then that of course becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cultures that believe in independence end up destroying relationships and community.

They're not a joke. Life is relationships. You have a relationship to your food, to objects you own, to your friends, family etc. The problem, for various reasons, is that we're not very good at them. Everyone wants to be independent. But independence has a price.

Bruh It's good that you're taking personal responsibility for you life. I'm sure your job does benefit you. But you really need to take a deeper look into how capitalism works and not just swallow the neoliberal kool-aid.

@LearningPodo I was in a frat in college. As bizarre as it sounds, I actually do think it benefitted my growth. Yes there was lots of lower consciousness activities like drinking, partying, etc. But it helped me gain a lot of the social skills I have today. Made me a lot more comfortable in those kind of situations. It also gave me a sense of community. A sort of “home” I could also return to. So while there are a lot of critiques you could make of fraternities, the reality is I don’t think I was ready to learn those unless until I experienced it. Sounds like you might be the same. It’s a shame because fraternities could play an important role in growing up for guys. But they’re just so enmeshed in a toxic culture that it becomes almost impossible.