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@Julian gabriel We don’t know yet what society will look like fully Green. Yellow is a bit jumping the gun. As far as what a Green society will look like, the specifics don’t matter too much from a meta-perspective and are near impossible to accurately predict. Life is unknown. That said, it will have all the hallmarks of green: - More economic equality - More gender equality - More inclusiveness of the marginalized and minority groups - Environmental sensitivity - More empathy and compassion - An emphasis on consensus, consent and democracy - Less material rat race, more time for introspection, self-care and mental health - Relativism and increased construct-awareness - Noob spirituality Etc etc etc. It will also suffer from all the excesses and problems of Green, which will push is collectively into Yellow. I have no idea what that jump would look like but I imagine it will be massive. If a personal leap into Tier 2 is huge, what does it look like when a whole society collectively does it? It’ll be interesting times for our descendants.

They should actually have something serious to say and have put in a ton of work into researching and writing it. You can do that technically at any age. But for most people it will probably take until their 30s or even later.

It’s just a super basic, materialist version of enlightenment. Everything he is describing is just more content within the Dream. Your body is content. Feelings are content. None of that means you’ve realized that you are the Creator of said content or that you ARE the content. It’s not sufficiently meta or epistemically rigorous. To be clear, practically I would say there is some correlation with what he is saying and spiritual growth. But it’s just a really watered down version of what spirituality can be. Possibly good for newbies, who would not be open to anything beyond this anyway.

You could do some of this, but I think you’ll struggle to put all of this under one roof. Better to narrow what you offer at least somewhat. Or perhaps have multiple businesses. For sure you could have a weightlifting, rock climbing, various classes, a small cafe, trainers and nutritionists. Many gyms offer some variation of that.

@Ethan1 There’s often not enough financial incentive to make more aesthetically pleasing architecture / infrastructure. To be more artistic takes more time and energy. It can be bad for business. Business often requires doing things quickly, efficiently and at the lowest possible cost in order to compete. Art is none of those things. Art can sometimes outperform non-art though. Sometimes something so beautiful is created that everyone just seems to recognize it. As we collectively move more into stage Green, I would expect to see our aesthetics to improve a lot.

@patricknotstar This is a thought experiment that can lead to some interesting inquiries around identity. What does it really mean to be you? What is you and what is not you? Are you even the same person when you wake up in the morning? What about the version of you from an hour ago? Where are they? Where is the past at all? Did it even happen? You could ride this question all the way to Awakening.

Solid list! There’s so many insights to be had, lists like these are really important to track everything. That is a valid concern. I would not just say these things to the majority of people. The point of this forum is to be a 1% environment where these things can be discussed. We’re like the Illuminati, but real

@Thought Art Sounds like you've been on a serious journey. I've had a strange relationship with money because growing up money was essentially handled for me. My parents were successful small business people. I was privileged like that. The upside is that I wasn't too badly infected with scarcity, fear-based consciousness around this topic growing up. I had a sense of security many people do not. Which meant from a young age I've had the luxury to consider deeper questions in life about happiness, purpose, spirituality, etc. My parents were also able to afford me a good education and pay for college, which has had practical benefits for my own career. In essence, my foundation was set. My childhood was top tier in that sense. The downside is that I also didn't really learn how to treat this topic of money all that seriously. I've had to learn as an adult how to make it a priority and work through some my well-intended but ultimately misguided ideas. It's a constant balancing act of idealism and pragmatism, purpose and paying your bills, spirituality and survival.

If this thread is opening back up again, I'm throwing my hat in the ring for Aubrey Marcus. He can be a bit on the new-age hippie side, but he's still a veteran psychonaut and one of the biggest public advocates for psychedelics out there. He is open-minded and a serious student. A crossover with you may help some of his stage Green audience move into more serious spiritual work and tier 2. I'd watch that conversation in a heartbeat.

Relatively speaking, no. Rich is only defined in terms of poor. If no one is poor, no one is rich. Think about it. You're probably imaging a world where everyone has yachts and private jets and has a butler. But if everyone had a yacht and private jet, you would no longer see these things as indications of being "rich". Just like you don't think about the fact that having electricity makes you impossibly rich compared to primitive man. Also, if everyone has a butler, who is going to take the job as a butler??? That all being said, we can raise the general standard of living for everyone. We've already done this to large extent in the developed world.

Oh this does happen. New, naive artists get screwed over literally all the time. Musicians that you might even think are rich could actually be in serious debt, basically a slave to their label. Getting screwed over in a business deal has mostly to do with naivety, bad legal advice, bad judgment of character and lack of leverage. Which could happen to anyone. Read what I wrote above^. No one is denying hollywood has corruption and shadiness.

@Jack_Clark It’s a good book but it also can create an anti-elite bias in you if you take it too simplistically and without balance. The proper balance is understanding that the elites do actually at times provide value for society that is win/win. Anand is revealing a partial perspective of how this narrative can be corrupted, but the narrative itself is still not entirely untrue. Situations are complex. And if you don’t acknowledge that complexity, you just become a Green Meanie.

I don’t really know anything about Walt Disney. It’s partly just numbers. Not every successful person has gone crazy or tried to build a death tower in their old age. Most people’s lives are more normal. There is nothing outside of God that could cause it to react. Everything is simply Self-Creation with no limits, excepts the limits Self-Created.

Yes. I can understand trying to give someone a platform to defend themselves, but I think ideally Lex should have said 'no' to this. This is one of my concerns as well. I can usually listen to someone's argument and at least understand what they're trying to say, even if I don't agree with them. But I've spent almost an hour of listening to Ye's interviews and I still don't really understand his basic points. Something about Jewish people having power and screwing him over in the music industry? And this is somehow related to the "left" wanting to control him and BLM? I don't get it. I'm sure it makes sense in his mind, but it's not computing so far for me. Maybe if I interviewed Ye myself I could get a better sense of it, but right now I'm still at a loss. More than likely they were never as "good" as we originally thought. People are morally complex. Also, the excesses of stage Blue / Orange can get pretty ugly. Also, sometimes just mental illness.

I mean running again

@Krife It's all fun and games until Ye starts trying to build his own cities and run for president.

You obviously feel that Tate's advice is helping you, which is why you keep talking about him. If you need to integrate your stage Orange, fine. But the reality is that Tate is talking about male-female dynamics from BELOW the spiral of stage Green egalitarian people. The doesn't mean there is no truth in some of what he says, you can correctly point out some of the flaws of a higher spiral stage from lower down. But it ain't tier 2. And so there's going to be a lot of bullshit in there as well. You may want to be aware of that.

That’s not an accurate representation of how tier 2 thinks. You are implying that tier 2 has a defeatist attitude when in fact it usually does not. Easy to mistake to someone as a defeatist when in fact they are surrendering to reality. These are not the same. The difference can seem subtle but it’s highly significant. A tier 2 attitude towards growing up in slavery would not just be to shrug its shoulders. It would be to understand why slavery exists in all its complexities. And when you do that, what you will find is that eliminating slavery is far less simple than you originally thought. Which is not to say you can’t work towards that aim, but it should be grounded in the reality of the situation. In essence, you are making the tier one mistake that Leo spoke about when he said that leftists tend to see tier 2 people as not progressive enough.

Sarcasm? This interview is more of a train wreck than anything else. Yes we can learn from anyone, but there are limits.

I've been following for Leo's content for years now, but I think my appreciation for his work is at an all-time high. You don't see many teachers like this that can make so many good points on such a diverse set of subjects. I think the biggest thing I took from this mini-series is just to have way more patience when it comes to politics and people's growth in general. Appreciate that you have had massive privileges and sit at the top of the spiral. And don't be so eager for change that you underestimate the intelligence of things already in place. Even when a society is ready to move up the spiral, there are still going to be big challenges with integration as the old falls away.

Fair critique. Now here’s my critique of some of your critiques. It’s not full scope but it should be sufficient. 1) Understanding the relative domain is limitless. But consider that you actually can understand absolute truth totally. And consider that understanding can also come from a place of beyond standard ego-mind 2) The limitless nature of infinity / reality is not a problem or reason to not seek understanding. In fact, I would argue it’s the infinite nature of understanding that makes it interesting at all. If life was finite you’d just traverse the whole thing and be done. Just don’t get attached to the idea of getting it all done. Given that you’ve never taken psychedelics, any beliefs that you have about psychedelics are heresay and based on zero experience. This doesn’t automatically mean you are wrong. But you may want to consider that you’re talking out of your league on this one. The only way you change anything about yourself is through properly understanding it. What is a better use of your time than understanding God and the deepest questions of the universe? If you want to criticize understanding, don’t be surprised when you are mistaken about all sorts of things. Including spirituality. To even appreciate going beyond the ego-mind requires tremendous effort, dedication, and yes, understanding. As far as you know, he is raising it. He has talked about raising your base many times in the past. You also are missing how these peak experiences can permanently affect someone’s psyche, even if the “trip” itself is temporary. One bad experience of getting bitten by a dog is enough to make most people avoid dogs for the rest of their life. What might a peak experience of becoming God do for them? Yes, Leo can come off as arrogant and kind of a prick at times. I’ll grant that one. And he has admitted he is working on that. But also, God-realization is pretty radical. And Leo is showing it to us in real time. That’s pretty rare and is going to be a pretty gnarly process. Don’t just judge people on their worst moments.

You can reconcile it by realizing that the “finite universe” is a construction of infinite consciousness. That includes time, space and any notion of an external physical reality. Physical reality is a subset of what consciousness can be.

@Holykael I’d suggest that if you’re still angry at the world and with god, you haven’t fully understood solipsism. I would keep contemplating.

Going to the dictionary is going to severally limit our ability to understand what insanity is IF we truly want to know. Anyone who is writing these definitions has more than likely never actually experienced insanity. So you understanding is purely conceptually and heresay upon heresay. Which is fine, but I would recognize it as such.

@Magnanimous Have you done any of your own research? It’s not healthy to expect us to just give you the answers or solve your problem. With just a little bit of research, you will be more than able to determine what kind of yoga protocol this community typically endorses.