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All external noises are within you, as well as any distinctions between artificial and natural.

Just wait until I start asking for basic politeness 😈

Consider the context of the advice I gave. To me, it seemed like OP was struggling with embracing hard conversations. Embracing hard conversations where there is heated disagreement is not dysfunction, it's function. In a different context I would give different advice.

I will explain my POV one more time. I really do want you to get it. I just ask for in return a genuine willingness to learn and to seriously consider the things I say.

Well you do have to know how to let go of things as well. So if you feel like you've had tough conversations with your family over and over, and they're still not getting it, then it might be best to move on. You can't force people to agree with you either. There has to be receptivity. It's okay if you're okay with a dysfunctional society. Or if you're very young, like pre-college age. Once you get to college / post-college age and have a basic handle on your survival, you should start thinking about politics.

That attitude does create more dysfunctionality. If you want to end the dysfunctionality, you can't just talk about things people agree on. Learn how to navigate situations of conflict with grace, not just hide from them.

Prioritizing democrats winning over meta-issues is the problem I am attempting to draw attention to. There can be other threads talking nitty-gritty democrat strategy. I would like this one to stay above that, as much as possible.

That disagreement / division already existed, you just weren't talking about it. Which makes it even more dysfunctional. Embrace conflict. Conflict is necessary to lead to resolution.

Don’t get so focused on specifics that you miss the big picture, meta-points being made. This is a meta political thread.

Says the new ager

I think I remember that thread. He was asking for help, but also seemed to think his situation was helpless. I was concerned about him. Very sad either way.

Are you joking? This is not an elaborate double-agent scheme. This is just RFK, seeking power.

If RFK actually approached the Harris campaign as well as the Trump campaign, then it's worse than I thought. I was assuming his decision was mostly about having an ax to grind against the democrats. Edit: found an article about it https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/14/politics/rfk-jr-harris-administration-role/index.html

They could certainly go together, yes.

I would keep digging on this. Yes those are two of the biggest challenges. The issue of censorship is a dynamic question with a moving answer. There's no static "right amount" of free speech or censorship.

But that wouldn’t be contemplation . Just think about it. Set aside any anti-censorship bias you might have and put yourself in the shoes of a government official.

It would be very wise to contemplate why governments censor people.

Hatred of trump is just more human bias.

I don’t have a problem with critiques of the democratic party in general. They can and should be made. But let’s be clear: if someone thinks a Trump admin is going to implement their progressive vision, they have lost the plot. Trump and his people are gearing up for Project 2025 authoritarian, social conservatism like we haven’t seen before. There will be nothing progressive about it. Kennedy is being a fool for this. His bias against the democrats is going to land us in MAGA hell.

To be fair, most serious feminists do not claim that. Their perspective is more nuanced. Obviously the modern world could not exist without both men and women contributing in their own ways.

Honestly. Establishment democrats say Trump is bad, so he must be good

Well I think it remains to be seen how this plays out. It does seem that RFK was pulling more from the right. But I wouldn’t underestimate the number of lefties supporting RFK. Look at who his senior advisor is, Charles freaking Eisenstein. I was a fan of his work at one point. You basically can’t go more left than this guy: https://www.kennedy24.com/eisenstein-video He represents a significant demographic that RFK is pulling from. If Charles ends up voting for Trump, I will have lost almost all respect for that guy.

Leftist RFK followers, now voting for Trump, is the ultimate irony.

Alright then. I’ve made my points but it doesn’t appear we are going to reach an agreement on this. I’m exiting this discussion now.

Then let it be non-sensical. At least for now. If you want to go beyond tier 1, you can't get there with more tier 1. Sorry. You have to do something else. Alternatively, just decide you want to stay at tier 1 and that you're done evolving in this way. Except you are misapplying that insight. Just engaging in more tier 1 pragmatism is NOT tier 2. You have to actually discover what is beyond that. What you are describing is an insight that is mostly appropriate for utopian SD Green types. Tier 1 is already deeply rooted in pragmatism, and we are building on top of that. We don't need more of it. No! Tier 2 is a WORLD apart from Green politics. Tier 2 is not on the map. Don't underestimate how big a difference it is.