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Oh please. There are degrees of overpromising. And Trump is one of the worst offenders of this, much worse than your average politician. This is obvious enough that it shouldn't need to be said. You mean like the tax breaks for his rich oligarch buddies? The promises he does actually fulfill are dysfunctional.

If you want to go with that interpretation, then he’s still conning his followers by overpromising. Fixed so good you won’t have to vote again? Trump has no ability to deliver on this promise. In fact, it would be a disingenuous thing for any president to promise, even if they were extremely competent. Presidents are not god.

Let's not devolve to personal attacks please. This was a productive conversation. Well you said your views closely align with me on God. So why do you believe it? Some things just can't be understood with science. What I'm against is claiming you are not doing science when you actually are. Agreed. But you don't get to say your claims are scientific and then skip over the science part. Which is what some Qi practitioners do. They want the benefits of sounding scientific without actually doing science.

I have no experience with the things he is talking about. Because there can be no scientific evidence for what I am saying. This is the core bullshittery of Qi proponents. On the one hand, it's argued that Qi is beyond science. Fine. But then they turn around and make a bunch of pseudoscientific claims that could either be dismissed or validated by science. You don't get it both ways. Either the claims you are making fall within the domain of science or they don't. If they don't, then you don't get to make scientific claims. If they do fall within the domain of science, then you need to show your science to prove it.

I've been studying Leo's work for almost a decade. It would be rather embarrassing if I viewed God in that way. I'm talking about Infinite Consciousness. The formless infinity that contains all possible forms. In this way of thinking, science and the scientific method are forms. "Qi" is a form. "Physicality" is a form. Ontological differences of "realness" are forms. "Life" and "death" are forms. And so on and so forth. The nature of these forms are ultimately pure Mind, pure Consciousness. And somehow, they are also my Mind. You made a lot of points. Quite frankly there's too many for me to respond to each one individually, so I'm just going to make some general statements about your answers. First, I am not suggesting people don't benefit from Qi Gong or that anyone should even stop doing Qi Gong. Of all the energetic medicine practices I've come across, I think Qi Gong and Tai Chi definitely are some of the better choices for people seeking tangible health outcomes. And we do have some decent studies on that, as you pointed out. What I am interested in is critiquing Qi as a theoretical model. "Qi" is not limited to Qi Gong. This same vitalism model is found in Reiki, the work of Wilhelm Reich, chiropractic medicine, osteopathic medicine, all the various forms of TCM, yoga, bioenergetics and so on and so forth. There are even people using the idea of Qi in order to try and build over-unity devices that will replace fossil fuels. So there is a very wide range of beliefs and claims associated with Qi here. It's not just strictly Qi Gong. The problem is, how do we assess which of these claims are true, if any? And how does Qi fit into the bigger picture of God and Consciousness?

Yes but it's not just scientists who don't understand it. It's Qi practitioners themselves who can't seem to really answer these questions. Such as? I've done over probably a thousand hours of meditation and various yogic / reiki / energetic practices. In terms of experiences validating ideas surrounding Qi, that has not happened. Psychedelics are powerful but they've explained to me nothing about Qi. Only Consciousness and God. This article was an April Fool's joke. Read the whole thing. Well I'm looking forward to seeing that. Theoretical consistency throughout different schools of TCM is not enough. All that tells us is that people copied each other's thinking. Models need to make specific predictions and be reproducible to be considered scientifically valid. That's being maybe a bit generous. From studies I've seen, the results are rather mixed. Yes but that doesn't necessarily mean Qi is now real. Buzzing and tingling is not nessesarily proof of Qi. And if it is to be considered proof, then that would seem to make Qi a physical, scientific phenomena. And we should be able to measure it. Another perspective is that western science ignores Qi because it's an old and obsolete model.

Yes I've studied all those models. But I've not gotten satisfying answers to my questions. Some people claim Qi is a physical phenomena we can observe and measure, such as Biofield researchers like Dr. Beverly Rubik or Dr Konstantin Korotkov. There are also countless people who claim they can physically observe Qi with their eyes, such as Teal Swan or Barbara Brendan. Others don't want to put Qi into a scientific box at all and don't seem interested in asking questions about it. Others think we can model its effects, like with the Chakras or in TCM. But they still fundamentally view it as something not-of-this-world.

I'd argue that's not really the purpose of a romantic relationship. Nor is it very realistic, given how small a percentage of people are stage turquoise and that it's hard to attract someone at a stage you yourself don't embody. More realistic is to look for a partner with healthy Green / Yellow.

But what is that? Can we measure its existence like we can with physical forces (electromagnetism, nuclear force etc)? Does it have a particle or unit? And if not, then how is it that you can interact with it? And how are we to determine which models around the use of Qi are the correct ones?

You yourself are likely not stage turquoise.

It’s some of both. He promises the world to his followers to sucker them in. But also, you can bet that trump will attempt to take as much power as he can if he elected. And considering SCOTUS just granted him immunity and Project 2025 is lining up loyalist hacks to fill our institutions, autocracy becomes a very real possibility.

Trump's top skills: Con-artistry, failed coups, grabbing women

Yes but the reality is that you have to try something to better your situation. This sounds like something that could be worth a shot. Your mind is already filled with all kinds of dogma and ideology.

Because you want what they have.

Educate yourself and then contemplate. There is plenty of analysis out there already.

Agreed. I’m not seeing a lot of talk about what needs to be done after Trump loses in November. But I’m sure he will try to pull something.

Keep in mind the goal is not to force transcendence of Orange. If Orange is where you are at, that’s where you are at. That’s what is realistic for many people. We want to take what is best from Orange and leave the rest if possible. We are building on top of each stage. For instance, you should be able to set an ambitious long-term goal and diligently work towards it everyday. This will also require healthy Blue discipline. If you cannot do this, what chance do you have of achieving loftier social justice goals like at Green and above? You cannot even run the basics of your own life, let alone solve the collective problems of society.

Cool. Most people on this forum are not directly involved in the world of politics. So it’ll be interesting to hear from someone actually going through it. Looking forward to hearing what you discover.

@NightHawkBuzz What is your interest in participating on this forum?

Then I’d keep looking to see if you can find someone. All sorts of weird things are possible with both spirituality and health.

The idea is that they wouldn’t be related. Obviously I don’t really know. I’m not a medical expert.

No amount of spiritual work has changed my depth perception. If you’re honestly noticing a change in your vision, that could be a medical condition.

Maybe the Dark Polarity will save us from these types of new agers. Dark Polarity 2024.

That was actually mature and well-handled by everyone involved. I'm impressed.

Thank you but "Conspirituality" is not my term. It's a well-known thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspirituality