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Of course some adults have low levels of development. But generally speaking, adults will have more development than children. They’ve lived longer and their psyche has had more time and experience to evolve. Children can be empowered, but only to a degree. And the degree they should be empowered needs to be correlated to their level of development. Which in most cases is quite low. Otherwise you will create more problems in the child’s life. I’ve noticed that people at a Stage Green level of consciousness want to try and treat children like adults. Possibly because their childhood was genuinely oppressive at times. But they swing the pendulum too far and forget about the importance of being the adult in the room.

Seems unlikely to me this will pass. Too radical a move and too many people who benefit from tiktok. But if it does pass, I won’t cry about it.

@John Paul children are mostly treated like children because they have the development of children. What is oppressive for an adult might actually be reasonable for a child. Standards are rightfully different. Of course some children are actually more mature than adults. It’s a nuanced issue. But generally it’s right to assume that what is appropriate for an adult may not be appropriate for a child.

Seems like a waste of time to me. If Joe wants to run again, he will get the nomination. This progressive campaign is not going to work. Also, I’m pretty happy with the job Joe Biden has done in office. He has been pretty progressive. Who do they realistically think they can run that will not only do a better job, but actually be electable? Most progressive candidates are not electable for something like President. They are too radical. Progressives can mostly win smaller, niche elections.

@PenguinPablo If everyone was Messi, being Messi doesn’t mean anything. Messi needs the contrast of not-Messi.

Which is what? No I don’t mind at all.

I would consider “true MGTOW” to simply be the recognition of the importance of working on yourself for men. But you can easily understand that without all the toxic elements. When a huge percentage of your community is toxic, it doesn’t really much matter if there is supposedly a higher ideal that you are aiming for. Your community is still toxic. It’s not. You can protect against these things without subscribing to a reactionary ideology filled with casual misogyny and alt-right nonsense.

Yes I caught that too. Obviously the GOP rep is cringe. But also, Brian is mostly just reiterating Green talking points on this issue and not really understanding why this is important to her.

@spiritual memes It’s shocking how bad the politics of some spiritual people are. Understanding politics takes deep intentional study and contemplation. You don’t get it just by having awakening experiences, although that can help to a degree. Part of the issue that some spiritual people spend all their time being spiritual and thinking politics doesn’t matter. But then that belief itself becomes your political stance. There is no-not having a political worldview. The other issue seems to be that spiritual people often have a non-mainstream, contrarian perspective on the world. Think stage Green hippies. And although this serves them in some ways when it comes to spirituality, they also easily fall into conspiracy theories and general nonsense. Which makes their politics bad.

It’s fine to take time off from dating or even not want to date at all if you really choose. But as a community and ideology, MGTOW is toxic. It’s basically just a spinoff of redpill guys who felt they were so redpill that they didn’t need women. Avoid it.

I familiarized myself with some of the progressive arguments for defunding the police during the George Floyd riots. They basically say the following: 1) Policing is inherently corrupt due to the racial origins of policing (slave catchers) 2) Modern police do face life and death situations, but the majority of their day is actually quite mundane. Serious action is rare 3) The police take up a disproportional part of any cities’ budget. Because policing does not get to the root of issue of crime, you have tons of money being directed away from solutions that would actually reduce crime (like education, social services etc). 4) Police are given way too many tasks that are outside the scope of what they should be doing and are trained for. And that most of situations do not require someone with a gun. In fact, the threat of violence escalates these situations and make them worse. Although I think some progressives do not appreciate how hard it is being a police officer and why they are necessary, I think there is some truth in their arguments as well. I would challenge progressives mainly on the implementation of their ideas. You cannot just demand to cut the police budget 50% overnight and expect good results. If you want to really defund the police, progressives need to: a) Have a detailed, solid plan of where this money will go and how it will be better than police b) TEST their ideas on a small scale. Get success cases. What unexpected problems have arisen? Troubleshoot and debug. c) Integrate with the rest of the criminal justice system and gradually scale up your solutions In other words, baby steps. The problem for progressives is that even if they are correct, the reality is that people are not going to easily give up police. A progressive might be okay with that, but for the average person, it’s asking way too much. But progressives also often dislike baby steps and like radical change so here we are lol.

I think it’s not as bad as you think it is. Yes democrats need to improve their strategy, that is always the case. But they did well overall. It’s not that democrats can’t beat traditional republican candidates. It’s more that when people are upset, they will often vote more favorably for the opposite party in charge. Doesn’t matter if it’s that party’s fault or not. At the end of the day, consciousness evolves, the Overton window moves, and we become more progressive overtime.

Yes and no. There definitely could have been a red wave in that case. People weren’t happy about inflation and gas prices. But the fact there wasn’t a wave shows that the threat of democracy mattered to voters. Trump candidates did very poorly. Roe also likely contributed to some degree.

Iran now appears to be disbanding its morality police. That’s a significant move and could be considered an accomplishment of the protests. It’s clear to me that these protests are partially due to the propagation of Western cultural memes. This is either a good thing or a bad thing. It’s good if it ends up elevating the consciousness level of Iran. It’s bad if it’s too far above the consciousness level of Iran. Successful social change requires hitting that sweet spot of ideas being better than the status quo, but not too far out of reach.

@Thought Art Nice insights. I am also watching this series and appreciating it so far. I admire Leo’s ability to articulate the conservative position in a way I think they would agree with. It’s like a mirror reflecting back their perspective. One of the main things I think I’m also getting out of this is a much deeper understanding of how Tier 2 works. Tier 2 really is its “own thing”. It’s not conservative or liberal, it’s a unification of both. But not in some disingenuous way where you just pretend to be above partisanship and taking sides. It transcends and includes partisanship and taking sides. It’s radically Inclusive, including of exclusivity and preferences.

I understand your point. You want to be authentic, non-attached etc etc. And you could make the argument that this TV character shows some of that. The issue is that here it’s done in a way that is not applicable to the real world. If you act like this in the real world, people are not going to like it.

Because in real life this person would be highly anti-social. This is a TV show. If you want to see what good social skills look like, go out and socialize with people who already have good skills. It will not look like this girl.

@NoSelfSelf It looks like an interesting show, maybe this character could help you integrate more of a “IDGAF” attitude. But it’s not really practical advice. Acting like this girl is not what success in dating looks like.

@ivankiss The problem is you want conflicting things. You don’t want to commit to this girl and make it monogamous, but you also don’t want to share her with anyone. You gotta pick a path. It’s also shitty from the girl’s perspective if she is looking for a deeper commitment. You’re not letting her pursue that, but you’re also not giving her what she wants. But she also probably also has feelings for you so she feels stuck. If you actually love this girl and don’t want to share her, make it monogamous. Or accept that there might be some sharing. Or just cut the whole thing. Those are really your only options.

My argument was not that men have more legal rights than women. In the west things have definitely progressed. Other areas of the globe are lower on the spiral and have not hit full feminism yet. Still, interpersonal power differentials between men and women in relationship can exist. Whether this is healthy or unhealthy for the relationship depends on many factors. Both genders are obviously capable of holding the power differential in their favor and committing abuse. This is not about gender per say. It’s about selfishness and the ego’s desire to seek survival gain often at the expense of others. But the masculine is of particular concern here since the Jungian feminine tends to seeks masculine containment.

Age tends to create a power differential. Such power differentials exist in many areas of society (surgeon - patient, parent - child, CEO - employee, politician - people). These power differentials can be beneficial, but they can and often are abused as well. Historically (and currently) men certainly have been guilty of this. Because of this abuse, feminism has necessarily been about leveling this power differential. Women no longer have to depend on men for money and resources, they can have a career and make their own money. They can vote politically. They have reproductive autonomy. This gives power back to women in the differential. In the future, we need to both develop a healthier relationship with power differentials and eliminate toxic ones. The problem is less that there is some power differential and more the tendency to exploit this power for personal gain. Power can be very seductive for the ego and it takes a high level of development to stay in a place of responsibility and not exploitation.

I’m personally looking forward to the courses. I think it would also be cool if we could interact with people who are also taking the course and discuss the content, like a FB group or maybe private section of the forum. Zoom calls would also be interesting.

@Razard86 Your posts are usually a miss for me. What I’ve noticed about you is that you constantly attempt to set the frame of “I am the authority, I am the teacher, you need to listen to me”. But rather than coming off as confident and a leader, you come off as juvenile and arrogant. I think what you want is to be a leader. And I resonate with that desire. But you speak about things which you do not understand. This doesn’t make you seem like a great leader, it makes you seem like a fool. Put in the work. Earn it. Show me why you deserve to be considered a teacher. A little bit of humbleness I think will take you a long way. People who are wise and who have seriously put in the work are not going to appreciate your style otherwise.

Yeah welcome to life. The whole challenge is that you must be wise with how you invest your time. Practically speaking, you may not be able to spend 3-5 years hardcore improving your dating life AND at the same time growing your business like crazy. Sometimes you just have to prioritize one area for a while to the detriment of others. Come back to it later. Or, you may be able to do both. It all depends on your goals, how far away from them you are, and what resources you have. You say that you’re already naturally social, so honestly I don’t think you’ll need 3-5 years of everyday work to improve your dating situation. My guess is you could improve just going out on the weekends. The key is just to figure out what is most important and then succeed or die trying.

It’s simple: Trump doesn’t think about these things that deeply. When you are stage Red, your thinking is very short-term, impulsive and narcissistic. From a Red POV, trying to overturn the election makes complete sense. You just do whatever you can to try and get immediate gain. Sometimes that strategy works for Red, but often it does not. It’s a big gamble. Especially in environments that are more developed. It can easily boomerang, which is how Red eventually exhausts itself and settles into Blue. Also, he has a massive shadow around losing and being seen as a loser. Probably shame from his childhood. I don’t see that happening. Especially since Kanye seems to now be running himself. Which seems to have angered Trump (surprise, surprise). https://www.businessinsider.com/kanye-west-says-trump-screamed-him-dinner-mar-a-lago-2022-11?amp