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It's a big jump because that's obviously not how I think about it. I don't know how exactly Leo sees himself. Does he even think of himself as a "person" at all? Who knows. He obviously thinks extremely highly of his awakening, but it's not unwarranted. Maybe there are people alive with a better understanding than him on God, but I don't know any. It has nothing to do with ethics. It's more like I'm sometimes willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he might know something I don't. For example, I don't know about Alien Awakening. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there might be something there and will test it. This is just called trust. Yes, you obviously you still need to maintain your own autonomy. But you can actually build trust when someone has demonstrated they deserve it over a period of years. Every healthy relationship also requires some trust. And you are closed-minded, so I'm not going to fault him for hitting you over the head about that. I don't idolize him, and I do focus on the work. This is whole thread is the most I've thought about Leo in a long time. I would prefer to just move on, but I felt I should address it since this thread was blowing up. Sure, fine. Sure, as long as you don't expect me to think Relativity means you get to gaslight me with your nonsense and I have to consider it "equally valid". Turns out understanding things is possible.

I was talking about you too, Carl. I know you don't agree with his teachings.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. This is the actual red line of this debate.

To the degree I grant Leo "special privileges", it's because I've spent ten years verifying the accuracy of his work. You, on the other hand, will not be granted any special privileges. I've debated with you in other threads and it's clear that you don't understand these metaphysical topics nearly as well. So you've not earned those privileges. If you want special privileges, go create your own metaphysical body of work on par with Leo's that I can verify. And if I can do that, then I will grant you special privileges. But until then, you get nothing.

This really undermines his whole project. No way you're achieving biological immortality if you can't even beat AIG.

All the critiques being leveled at Leo in this thread rest on top of the assumption that he is wrong. That is the actual red line. You're not mad because he called you close-minded. You're mad because you think you're openminded. You're not mad because he claimed he was the standard for epistemology. You're mad because you think he isn't. You're not mad because he claimed he was more awake than other spiritual teachers. You're mad because you don't believe it. You're not mad because he claimed he understood God better than you. You're mad because you don't think he does. The ultimate red line question is this: what is God???? Everything in this debate hinges on how you answer that question.

Still love living here. No other country I'd rather be. But yeah, we have some serious issues to work on.

I feel ya man. It can be rough out there.

@Zenterus Lol bro. This is why people eventually settle down. Hooking up with girls in perpetuity is a hellish roller coaster.

The men are deliberately withholding something they know their girlfriend probably wants to get a reaction out of her for social media.

That is exactly what some men do. Whether or not it’s “okay” requires looking at how coercive it was and what the consequences were. No one is getting hurt by your girlfriend wanting you to eat a brownie with her. This is a stupid false equivalence with something like sexual assault.

Not at all. Eating together is a way of connecting. Step out of your male mind and see it from her perspective.

If you have a good venue and know what you’re doing, you might be surprised. Yes, it’s a very specific skill to be good at cold approach. You need to be extremely good at initiating and creating positive first impressions. That takes a certain kind of personality and mindset. I’ve met a ton of guys who definitely are attractive and social otherwise, but they completely fold if they have to cold approach. It’s not something a lot of people are used to doing. And most serious cold approach is on a spectrum with what you’re describing. You might work the venue, get to know lots of different people and draw attention + social proof that way. Obviously it’s not one size fits all. But it is something almost every guy can immediately go out and try, regardless of slack-lining skills

No, you don't have to ask me questions. I was mostly just curious. I am working a project right now that is focused on teaching Tier 2 masculinity & relationships. So it's useful for me to see kind of problems guys are struggling with. And I think our perspectives slightly diverge here.

I see. Yes, that's a challenge if you're looking for frame alignment on an overt, intellectual level.

I'm not following how you see frame. Why do you see women being in your frame as not natural?

Yeah but that's not necessarily actually better. It depends on how good your setup is. Cold approach is nice because you can set the right frame immediately and just go for what you want. Direct / indirect approaches both have tradeoffs.

Nice! Sounds like some serious insights.

@Razard86 is correct here. This is not God-realization, no matter how nice these teachings sound.

The women you’re describing may be more extreme or overt about it. But every woman wants to respect their man. That’s not some unique phenomenon.

Some men have always died virgins. It's not a problem as long as you're not deceiving yourself about your situation.

You cannot solve the novelty problem just by adding new women, unless you are willing to do that perpetually.

The Coolidge effect only matters when you introduce a new partner. Your harem partners are not new or novel. You will have had sex with them tons of times and will have normalized to it all, in the same way that you normalize to one partner in monogamy. Adding a new partner in a harem is rare. Additionally, if you are relying on the Coolidge effect for your sex drive, what about the rest of the women in your harem? They will be unsatisfied. You'd mostly only be interested in hooking up with the new girl.

I highly doubt that would change things too dramatically. Libido is fairly stable, like the amount of food or sleep you want. You can't alter it that much just by having access to more women.

How do you even have sex with this many women?