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There's probably a realistic middle. Little bit of fuckboy isn't bad. Especially in the beginning. Mom game

Yes that narrative is a bit simplistic. It can work to some degree, but I think it's also worth letting go of at a certain point.

I don't think it's so much of an issue around authenticity as it is about goal optimization. Most of the time with pickup, your goal is to have sex. The relationship only has to be successful until tomorrow, which basically means you can just coast on good vibes. And your process needs to be repeatable, since you probably want to do this more than once. With long-term relationships, you're just not optimizing for sex. There's some overlap of course, because you still want attraction, flirtation, investment etc. But you also need to be thinking more long-term.

The problem I see here is that "wins me over" quickly turns into "have sex with her without showing any real interest in long-term potential". I find this just doesn't work well if you want something serious. I don't even want to sleep with her if I don't see long-term potential at this point.

You’d need to describe more what is going on in your interactions. Otherwise we’re just guessing.

@Meeksauce you’re doing something wrong. Women have not become unapproachable in 2026.

Corrupting the World Cup: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/fifas-infantino-targeted-by-complaint-to-olympic-ethics-body-after-trump-lobbying-on-balogun-ban

Appreciate that!

That is what they're doing. Be careful of strawmannirg them as well. I don't agree with their conclusions, but they are mostly presenting it in a reasonable way.

Well, you tell me. Do you think you're still seriously open? How much are you going to try and understand these teachings if you assume it's just a bunch of hallucinated ramblings from a narcissist, wounded cult leader? Imagine you took that attitude with anything else you were trying to learn. If you're still open, great. But I just don't see that from you. From what I can tell, you seem quite certain in your position. And that's going to affect your results.

Yes, that's why debate won't resolve this. One of us is just going to be mistaken.

Okay, suit yourself. There will be no learning with taking that frame.

It's a big jump because that's obviously not how I think about it. I don't know how exactly Leo sees himself. Does he even think of himself as a "person" at all? Who knows. He obviously thinks extremely highly of his awakening, but it's not unwarranted. Maybe there are people alive with a better understanding than him on God, but I don't know any. It has nothing to do with ethics. It's more like I'm sometimes willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he might know something I don't. For example, I don't know about Alien Awakening. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there might be something there and will test it. This is just called trust. Yes, you obviously you still need to maintain your own autonomy. But you can actually build trust when someone has demonstrated they deserve it over a period of years. Every healthy relationship also requires some trust. And you are closed-minded, so I'm not going to fault him for hitting you over the head about that. I don't idolize him, and I do focus on the work. This is whole thread is the most I've thought about Leo in a long time. I would prefer to just move on, but I felt I should address it since this thread was blowing up. Sure, fine. Sure, as long as you don't expect me to think Relativity means you get to gaslight me with your nonsense and I have to consider it "equally valid". Turns out understanding things is possible.

I was talking about you too, Carl. I know you don't agree with his teachings.