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Here is my updated version of this model: I added a 5th dimension and changed the void dimension. And I made the explanations of the Illumination and void dimension clearer and hopefully easier to understand. I made a new thread so that the clearer and more comprehensive version is right at the top. And people don't needlessly read through a outdated version first.

Here I made a similar post. This is un upgraded version now. The following is one way to model consciousness. I consider this model very useful for the awakening journey. 1. Void Dimension In the previous post I called this the depth dimension. When being conscious of a facet of awakening (no self, God, Love,...), The void dimension shows how immersive vs subtle this is. When you increase the void dimension more and more, you eventually end up in the Void. There are no body sensations. And in a deep Void, no thoughts, no memories, no sense of self and individuality. Practices that target the void dimension: psychedelics sleep yoga SAT transmissions trance, tiredness, sleep deprivation invocation of angels and gods lucid dreaming float tank shamanic breathing dark room retreat weed and alcohol And to a smaller extend: shaktipat transmissions kriya/kundalini yoga meditation physical exhaustion being sick There is generally a correspondence between higher activation in alpha, theta, delta and epsilon brainwaves and the void dimension. 2. Recognition Dimension Recognizing/grasping a facet of awakening. If you watch Leo's guided contemplations and understand them, that's conceptual understanding. If you are a practitioner and carefully do these contemplations alongside him, and after some time you actually yet usually very subtly grasp it in your direct experience, then that's the recognition dimension. At this point it is very clear how that particular facet of awakening could be true. But you are not absolutely sure yet. There is the small possibility that you are deceived and it's just an illusion of the brain after all. Practices that target the recognition dimension: self inquiry / contemplation The recognition dimension corresponds with an increase in beta and gamma brainwaves. 3. Pure Consciousness Dimension This is about increasing your consciousness. It's the most important dimension IMO. The only way that you can wake up to God, Love and Infinity is by increasing your consciousness. After a certain point, you will also reach Absoluteness, that means it will be 100% clear that your awakenings are true. No doubts. The possibility that everything is an illusion of the brain becomes a joke. Practices that target the pure consciousness dimension: psychedelics. Particularly strongly 5-meo-dmt advanced lucid dreaming/OBEs To a lesser extend: RASA and Light Transmissions (from Gareth, maybe from Imogen too) advanced invocation long dark room retreats advanced jhanas The pure consciousness dimension corresponds with an increase in gamma and lambda brainwaves. The pure consciousness dimension is most important for awakening. You can increase that dimension by directly targeting it with the practices listed above. Or by simultaneously targeting the void dimension and the recognition dimension. I found that these two in combination target the pure consciousness dimension as well. The recognition dimension and self inquiry are kinda closely related with the pure consciousness dimension, but self inquiry alone is usually not enough to really increase your consciousness. But if you do self Inquiry while you are deep in the void dimension, then increasing your consciousness becomes much much easier IME. But generally psychedelics are the most powerful tool for the pure consciousness dimension. Some more points: These categorizations are generalizations, and based on my current understanding. Your consciousness can be strong in all 3 dimensions at the same time (so it's not an either or). The model appllies for both peak and baseline consciousness. In the previous post I described some points in more detail.

I also think I'm no longer gonna use the term "pure consciousness". Because it sounds a bit strange and maybe is slightly confusing. I think the term "Illumination" fits better. So I think I'm gonna use that term instead from now on.

Recognition Dimension I don't really see the recognition dimension as a distinct dimension anymore. I rather see it as a part of the pure consciousness dimension. When the pure consciousness dimension is low, we have normal human consciousness. When the pure consciousness dimension increases then we get to what I initially labeled the recognition dimension. When the pure consciousness dimension increases a lot more you have a spiritual awakening.

The way I see it, there are 2 main definitions people use for "nothing". If they mean a void, then that is not truly nothing, there is still something there, for example consciousness. So saying nothing = something is confusing, because actually there is only somethingness and no nothing. existence = consciousness = something In regard to the void, it would be more accurate to say: formlessness = form True nothing would be non-existence. Non-existence/unconsciousness and existence/something/consciousness are definitely not the same imo. Therefore something = nothing is not correct imo.

Maybe this helps: In short, this model has 5 dimensions of consciousness: Illumination Dimension. Low vs high state of consciousness. High consciousness in terms of being closer to God Realisation. High clarity and recognition of your true nature Void Dimension. Form vs formless consciousness Intensity Dimension: subtle vs intense awareness of awakening truths Magnitude Dimension. The magnitude of consciousness in a human is far higher than in a rabbit. And it is far higher in a god (astral entity like Zeus) than in a human. Alertness Dimension. During deep sleep it's at cero. When you are conscious it has a certain value. When you take coffee it increases even more Everything is a state of consciousness. In some states you are conscious of your true nature and in some states not.

I don't think that one 'being' can be conscious of all of Absolute Infinity at once. Because that is only possible if all bubbles/parts/Gods of Absolute Infinity merge into one bubble/consciousness. (This combined bubble could then shapeshift into Infinite Consciousness, or it could shapeshift into anything else, like the appearances of infinitely many bubbles or Gods simultaneously). And I think that is not possible because due to the nature of Absolute Infinity, there would always be infinitely many more bubbles and Gods that haven't merged yet. So in case that is true, you might have been conscious of infinitely many Gods, but there were still Infinitely many Gods that you weren't conscious of, therefore you weren't conscious of ALL of Absolute Infinity and therefore you aren't Absolute Infinity. But in case it is indeed possible that ALL consciousnesses/bubbles can merge into one consciousness simultaneously, then it is possible that you actually are ALL of Absolute Infinity right now. But even if this scenario is possble, it is far more likely that there are still Infinitely many more that haven't merged yet (even though they could) and it just feels like all parts have already merged. So the probability of you being ALL of Absolute Infinity is infinitely small. All what I just wrote is based on the assumption that Absolute Infinity can be or is made of infinitely many consciousnesses. If Absolute Infinity works like Solipsism like Leo has been saying in the past, then these arguments are of course meaningless. I've been in very high states of consciousness and was certain of all of that, including solipsism. If Reality is Infinite, then it contains states of Infinite consciousness where you become conscious of something that is Absolutely true and it 'feels' Absolutely true. But Infinity also contains states of Infinite consciousness where you become conscious of something that is not Absolutely ture, but it 'feels' Absolutely true, EXACTLY as true and convincing as these other states of something that is indeed Absolutely true. So how do you distinguish these two states? That's what started my doubt in solipsism. Even someone like Leo is not immune to that problem. He was completely sure solipsism is true and now he says other Gods could be out there too. The paradigm of "an objective world made of consciousness" certainly allwos for violation of physical laws. Everything is consciousness after all. If you levitate then there is still a cause, even if it's just the power of your mind. (One part of consciousness interacting with another part of consciousness) But I need to contemplate more about this cause and effect concept. Since I had my first awakenings maybe 2 and half years ago I was convinced cause and effect is an illusion. So this would be a paradigm shift for me and I need to think this new paradigm through more deeply.

Let's say Absolute Infinity is consciousness and contains infinitely many bubbles which too are consciousness. Each bubble is Infinite consciousness and there is no limit to what it can dream up. At any given moment, each bubble is what it is conscious of. So maybe the line of separation between these bubbles is unconsciousness. Unconsciousness doesn't exist so in that sense all these bubbles, all these sub-Infinities are still One. Absolute Infinity is Consciousness and it is One. But each bubble is also distinct and seperate. If one bubble of consciousness can miraculously exist, then other bubbles should too. In order for Absolute Infinity to be Infinite in every way, there need to be Infinitely many such bubbles/sub-Infinities. And this existence of Infinitely many seperate bubbles doesn't contradict Oneness because these bubbles are still One because what these bubbles fundamentally are is consciousness and what seperates them is unconsciousness, therefore seperation doesn't exist. In that sense, the existence of infinitely many bubbles doesn't contradict Oneness and non-duality.

I just made edited the first post, and added a comparison between the 3 paradigms ("materialism" vs "Infinite bubbles" vs "world made of consciousness"). I think that makes it all clearer. The more I think about this paradigm, the more plausible it becomes. It contradicts some realisations from awakening, but all of awakening still makes sense from within that paradigm. The biggest argument for this paradigm seems to me that if there are seperate bubbles and they can affect each other (for example in the form of merging), then this paradigm here seems to be a very plausible logical result. Basically, these are some of the possible paradigms: Materialism Absolute Solipsism (how Leo has been talking about it) Multiple seperate bubbles/Gods and they can't affect each other or merge Multiple seperate bubbles/Gods and they can affect each other and merge The paradigm of this thread: objective World made of consciousness And this thread is an argument against the 4th paradigm: "Multiple seperate bubbles/Gods and they can affect each other and merge" So compared to this paradigm, the world of consciousness paradigm seems more plausible to me right now. But this paradigm is not necessarily an argument against the other paradigms.

@machiavelli ok I was writing a bit confusing. In posts on the previous page I was writing that each bubble is its own Infinity and when each bubble reaches infinite consciousness then each Infinite consciousness is seperate. So that's the more simple/basic version of the multiple bubble paradigm. But as I was writing earlier, I think these bubbles of consciousness can actually merge together. And in that sense they can share the same Infinite consciousness, rather than seperate Infinite consciousnesses. But I don't think every single part of Absolute Infinity can merge together simultaneously because I think there would always be infinitely many more parts that haven't merged.

@machiavelli infinitely many Infinities might just be an unavoidable consequence of Absolute Infinity. That's essentially what I'm saying. The only difference is that I think that each part can be infinite too.

Yes.

Why not. If you wake up you realize you are Infinite. And if there are other bubbles, then surely each bubble can do that too. Who cares about a need? If there is one bubble then it should also be possible that there are many. I would say, many Infinities is just a natural consequence of Absolute Infinity. It's the same in the sense that it's consciousness and Infinite. But they are seperate Infinities. Leo said this too in his new video. That would coincide with the other thread of "paradigm of an objective reality made of consciousness " that I just made.

Not all human selves are necessarily the same Infinity. Each God is its own Infinity. And together these Gods make up Absolute Infinity.

It only becomes dangerous and misleading when it is called absolute truth. But I was presenting this paradigm as a contemplation, a possibility. Being sceptical and contemplating different paradigms and explanations is very important.

You can also be misleaded by taking psychedelics. High consciousness is not fool-proof. Let's say the paradigm of this post were true, how likely is it to become directly conscious of that via psychedelics. Maybe we humans currently aren't capable of directly proving something like that. And only because you can't directly prove something doesn't mean to just ignore that possibility. You would severely limit yourself. That's a biased way towards truth. Also, all the "mental masturbations" of philosophers were not useless. There is value in conemplation.

No. Your nature is Infinite. But it can shapeshift into a limited form. That's the form all these peoples are in. But each bubble can shapeshift back into Infinite consciousness. And all these bubbles can do that simultaneously.

If you only rely on direct awakening you can never figure out everything. Sometimes contemplation can be very valuable. Of course, contemplations are not absolutely true, but neither are awakenings. You can be absolutely certain that your awakening is Absolutely true, and it still might not be true. Like the example of Leo's solipsism. He was 100% sure it is true and now he says there might be infinitely many such solipsistic Gods. Awakening is not a 100% percent reliable way to discover truth. Infinity certainly contains scenarios of absolute certainty, but which are still not true.

From the perspective of God awakening this paradigm doesn't make sense. But from the perspective of this paradigm, God awakening makes sense and can be explained. This paradigm contradicts a lot of awakening realisations like: You are all that exists You are sovereign There is no objective reality Your experience is consciousness shapeshifting into different appearances Cause and effect is an illusion But there are also many awakening realisations that are still true under this paradigm: The seperate self is an illusion You are consciousness Everything is consciousness Reality is Absolute Infinity Absolute Infinity is unbiased und unconditional Reality is One

Yes. And animals, plants, atoms,... too.

I believe it is possible to be sovereign. But I believe it is also possible to give up sovereignty and then your experience is no longer exclusively determined by you, but by other Gods too. And I think that's what's currently happening. Infinitely many Gods co-existing simultaneously and affecting each other.

Hmmm That's why I added in another post that maybe it's not possible that ALL Gods, that ALL Infinities in Absolute Infinity merge into one bubble because due to the nature of Absolute Infinity there would always be infinitely more bubbles that haven't merged yet. If that is true, a Absolute Solipsistic Oneness of Absolute Infinity is not possible. There can only be relative solipsistic Gods, like what ine becomes conscious of in awakening experiences. And relative to that Infinitude it is absolute. But relative to Absolute Infinity there are infinitely many more such solipsistic Gods.

To create a shared reality these Gods would coordinate their imaginations. So if you are talking with other people and one person throws a ball into the air, then every God imagines that ball flying into the air. It's ultimately still you who imagines that ball, but you imagine it not as a result of your own intent but as a result of someone's else intent. If you keep all your sovereignty you just imagine whatever you want. But if you want to co-exist with other Gods, you give up part of your sovereignty and include imaginations as a result of other God's intents.

Yes kind of. I think each Infinity could theoretically be completely independent and sorvereign. But they can also decide to give up part of their sovereignty in order to have a shared experience with other Gods. I think relative to our own Infinitude we are legitimately seperate 'beings'. But there is still a Oneness in the sense that what we both are is consciousness. And there is no objectively real seperation between us because the seperatation is made of unconsciousness and therefore in a sense doesn't exist. But relative to your own Infinitude this seperation is real. But relative to Absolute Infinity this seperation is not real. In that sense it is One. So relative to your own Infinitude Oneness and Non-duality is true. And relative to Absolute Infinity Oneness is also true.

@Inliytened1 I would say you are an Infinity which is part of Absolute Infinity. So relative to your Infinitude you are God. And there are infinitely many such Gods. And together these Gods make up Absolute Infinity. I think relative to your Infinitude you are God, but relative to Absolute Infinity you are a part of God. But you are still Infinite. But not Absolutely Infinite. Because if you were Absolutely Infinite you would contain Infinitely many Infinity Gods. But you are only conscious of one Infinity God. So that's what you are. The Infinity God that I talk about is just as big and profound as the Infinity God that Leo has been talking about all these years. So under this new paradigm, the Infinity God that you are is still the same, and didn't get smaller. It's just that the notion of Absolute Existence got expanded such that other such Infinity Gods can exist too.