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You get a lucid glimpse outside our tiny bubble, the physical dimension. And if you manage to stay very calm you might be able to induce an OBE.

containment, absorption and reabsorption of energy, storing it in the dantien and refining it to the philosophers stone. As described in his book the magnum opus. OBE visualizations to create a strong double body. After a lot of practice they become as vivid as real life. See his OBE book. And in his book the way of the projectionist, he goes into more details to make it more effective. And you channel the energy you accumulate through energetic containment into the OBE visualizations, thus in the creation of you double body, which makes it more powerful. When your double body is very 'solid' you transfer your whole consciousness into it, and thus leave your physical body forever, it will then just be dead. For that to work you need the energy from your philosopher's stone. How exactly to do that, he wants to write about in a future book. This doesn't necessarily contradict enlightenment. Being enlightened means you know you are God, yet the experience of a physical body continues. After death of the physical body, the experience as a point of awareness probably continues even if you are enlightened, then you have an etheral body, and then perhaps incarnate somewhere else. John Kreiter says the purpose of transferring your consciousness to the double body is to escape prison earth, the matrix and the reincaranation cycle. But there are also other ways of doing that. One is to avoid the light trap after death and escape through a hole in the grid. probably another one is to become enlightened. John Kreiter's way would probably have some advantages though. You would have a smooth transtion, without a gap with a loss of consciousness and thus you would be guaranteed to be lucid and fully in control. And you will keep the philosopher's stone (it is non-physical) thus you keep this energy/power. John Kreiter said he will write more about reincarnation in his next book.

I've heard about dark room retreats, but I didn't know that they can be effective for OBEs as well. Quite Interesting. Once I have the opportunity do to one, I will try it. Wim Hof breathing is similar to shamanic breathing / holographic breath work. If you want, you can check out dmt breathing, it's similar but shorter, more complex and more intense. It might enhance the effects of the dark room retreat even more. On youtube are some good videos about it. You can enhance the dark room retreat even more with good audios. The 3rd and 4rth audios on this site are supposed to induces small dmt trips: https://www.brainwave3d.com/psi-faehigkeiten/zirbeldruese-drittes-auge/ But they probably only work well after you have trained with them for some time. (use gooogle translate) Epsilon frequencies are also said to make you produce dmt. Like that one: https://www.brainwave3d.com/meditation/tiefenmeditation-fuer-profis/129/amazonas-trip-to-god-432-hz-das-tor-zu-lichtwelten?c=20 But before epsilon frequencies are effective, your brain needs first to be trained with alpha, theta and delta brainwaves. Or you might find some good free ones on youtube. That would be a nice combination: dark room retreat + wim hof breathing / shamanic breathing + dmt breathing + dmt stimulating sounds + epsilon frequencies

@John Iverson As mentioned before, I guess the spider was just your hallucination, so nothing to worry about. Everyone has sleep paralysis every night. But they usually aren't lucky enough to be conscious during it. You probably experienced it because of the psychedelics. But it was the first time? And you've taken psychedelics before? Then I don't think it will happen the next time after taking psychedelics again. If it does, remember, that spider can't harm you. After a few seconds sleep paralysis is gone, and the spider with it. If you believe it can pass through the window, then it can. If you believe it will turn into a super model, it will.

So you try to have DILDs? Some things to consider: is your dream recall strong enough? without good dream recall it's hard to DILD. So dream journal is good. How many reality checks do you do? I guess it's enough doing around 20 reality checks. On days Im motivated, I try to have 200-500 mini awakenings. ADA (all day awareness) is very helpful for DILDs. But brutally difficult to maintain. I don't think that the staying in ada is the biggest factor of ada what gets you lucid. rather these mini awakenings, when you were unconscious and remember to do ada. So sometimes I try to have 200+ of these a day. Upon the mini awakening, I sometimes make a reality check, but most of the time I just check based on whether sth is odd and how it feels. or you can just look at your hands (5 fingers ?) That takes 1-3 seconds. 200 of these are around 8 minutes a day, so it's no time investment, but requires a lot of intention and willpower to have so many mini awakenings. This intention is what gets you lucid (plus the habit). doing MILD while falling asleep Meditating or doing hardcore RCs and ada during WBTB the longer and the later the WBTB the more effective. But it also gets harder to fall back asleep. It takes experimenting to find the sweetspot affirmations and intention before falling asleep and a few times during the day you can try lucid dream supplements like dream leaf You have been doing kriya yoga for quite some time. So why don't you try WILD? WILDs are higher quality anyways, and if you have so much yoga experience you might find it not to difficult to do. check out some guides on dreamviews.com

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@John Iverson So seeing the spider happened once? When you dream you create your environment. The same way as your subconscious ususally creates a car or a dog, it has created a spider when you were in sleep paralysis. So nothing paranormal about that. But there is a chance that it wasn't imagined by you but that something real was behind that spider. There are non-organic life forms that sometimes like to startle people while in sleep paralysis. So a non-organic life form might have guessed that you are afraid of spiders and therefore turned into a spider. If you have a fear response, you radiate a lot of that energy outward, and they eat that energy, that's there food. But they can't harm you. They only have as much power as you give them. They are quite pathetic poor creatures. But I guess that it was just your subconscious creation, so no real non-organic life form behind it. I've been visited by them several times. If they ever visit you, just laugh at them. And it's very very unlikely that your spider has anything to do with the matrix spiders.

I'm not interested in a certain psychedelic experience but in mystical experiences. As long as a dream psychedelic gives you a mystical experience, it shouldn't matter whether it's the exact same experience you would get if you took that psychedelic in real life. Though if someone is interested in having let's say a dream LSD trip that is similar to a real life LSD trip without ever having taking LSD, then reading trip reports will probably help a lot. Or you just materialize it. I guess most of the people on this forum have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours meditating. So we do have some patient people on here. That time invested in the right OBE practice would yield far more results. In terms of required time investment, OBE mystical experiences have no chance competing with real psychedelics. While meditative practices have no chance competing with OBE mystical experiences.

I guess that most people's mystical experiences during OBEs are deeper than what they have experienced in real life beforehand. Most of those people never took psychedelics, they might have done some meditations with small insights at most. And then have mystical experiences in OBEs. So the depth is independent of memory or prior experience. During OBEs, you can create mystical experiences from memory alone, but you can just as well go for the real thing. You are God so it doesn't matter where you are, you can always realize it. Eventually you should be able to have them for longer amounts of time, even when doing something emotionally intense like going nondual. The place shouldn't matter though. Eveytime I have a DEILD I'm blind at the beginning, but after 10-30 seconds I can see. If one is so advanced that he can have mystical experiences, then gaining sight should be fairly easy. What is "real" experience. Having a real nondual experience. As I mentioned, you are God so you should be able to have a "real" nondual experience independent of a memory of a former nondual experience. If you don't rely on memory, distortion shouldn't be an issue. Another problem is recall. But there are many ways to drastically improve it. There are indeed many obstacles for having deep nondual experiences in OBEs but I believe they can all be overcome if you are very advanced. And becoming very advanced is attainable if you can get into the Esdaile State. Yes, it takes a lot of time. I definitely don't recommend anyone to learn OBEs if you are only interested in enlightenment. Taking psychedelics in real life is FAR easier. But OBEs have many more benefits. If someone is interested in them, then I believe it's worth learning how to OBE, and attaining enlightenment on the side will be a bonus. Once you manage to get into the Esdaile State, you have overcome the biggest obstacle. From there on, you should be able to OBE at any time and almost instantly, that will allow you to relatively effortlessly get good at OBE skills (skills after body exit).

I don't know much about these spiders. Perhaps you find something useful on reddit. Type into the search bar sth like: " site:www.reddit.com psychedelics spider (cocoon, web, grid)" So it was after the psychedelic trip? Or did you see a spider during the psychedelic trip and afterwards as well? The spider in the window was most likely your creation and has nothing to do with the Matrix.

@SamueLSD MILD = Mnemonically Induced Lucid Dream https://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-lucidity/119050-naiyas-simple-mild-technique.html https://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/MILD-Tutorial

hmmm. I read that when you astral project without an astral body then you are seen as a white ball of light by others. Perhaps this is what you've seen. Or perhaps some kind of non-physical ufo

All my research strongly suggests that you can have any mystical experience when out of body and they should have similiar quality and depth as mystical experiences induced from a physical body. I've had a few very short nondual dreams and even though they were not lucid, the quality wasn't that much lower than when I took real psychedelics. There are many reports of people having legit deep nondual experiences during OBEs. I don't see why these shouldn't easily be induced by taking dream psychedelics. I don't really care how to induce a deep mystical experience once out of body, if dream psychedelics don't work, then there should be another way.

I haven't had any astral projections yet. Orbs around people? Like an aura?

So you are basically saying that when taking psychedelics in OBEs you don't actually have a mystical experience but just imagine having one, created by your expectations and memories?

That's already not true because many people on the forum have already taken psychedelics in dreams. And many other points on the list are also not that difficult like: figuring out the root cause of diseases, whole body orgasms, talking with guides and aliens, doing magick which affects your physical life and projecting to our physical dimension. These should be very attainable. The other points are more difficult though. The dreamed up substance is of course not the same as a real psychedelic and it itself doesn't cause a mystical experience, it's one's expectation. It doesn't matter whether a dream psychedelic is like one from real life. The important thing is whether it can give you a mystical experience. God can be accessed from every dimension, including the physical, the astral and dreams. So If you have the expectancy that the psychedelic will get you there then it will. And if you dream up for example LSD and expect it to have the same effects as real LSD, it will. It won't be from real LSD, but what's the difference? Though an issue could be that you imagine Nothingness/Love/God rather than experiencing the actual thing. But it is certainly possible to get to the real thing, so if you are aware of the issue and are good at OBEing, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. And perhaps it isn't a problem at all, and you automatically get to the actual 'thing'.

Some of them really take a lot of practice. If one had enough OBEs then they would be quite attainable though. That's why I'm excited about hypnosis. After having firmly anchored the Esdaile State, it should be possible to have OBEs whenever you want. That will enable you to practice a lot. And once projection during the whole night and splitting consciousness and time dilation is achieved, time is no more issue @OBEler How difficult is splitting your consciousness, have you done it? @herghly What techniques are you practicing?

If you manage to have it in your last thoughts before falling asleep (after a WBTB) then you have a good chance. But that won't necessarily make you lucid. Better have lucid dreaming as your last thoughts or reality checks. You might wanna look into MILD

Lucid dreams are a kind of OBEs. Dreams don't happen in your brain or inside you, while APs are outside and real. If you have an AP you project your consciousness to a place that was already there. It exists independently of you and you usually see other real beings. When you dream you project your consciousness also to a 'real place' but it's void. Its like you project into an empty soup, a kind of nothingness. So there is nothing independent there, so your subconscious creates an environment. That's because you are constantly projecting energy outward and it manifests as whatever is going on in your subconscious. If you practice energetic containment, as taught by John kreiter, you can reverse that process. You stop radiating energy outward, thus the environment fades away till you are in a kinda nothingness. This all takes place at a real 'place'. Therefore it is possible to visit other people's dreams or be visited by spirits or aliens in your dreams. So your dreams aren't private. And there is no hard line between AP and a dream. There can be already a bit of an independent scene, and you add your projections. So it becomes a mix of independent environment and your projections. Though I assume that most dreams are purely your subconscious creation. But John Kreiter says that they are (often) real worlds that will continue to exist and evolve after you end your dream, but I haven't fully understood that yet. What happens if you take psychedelics in 'real' life? Love/Consciousness/God is always here, but most people don't recognize it, like trying to see yellow when wearing red glasses. Psychedelics make you see what was always there. Dreams don't exist within this physical reality. They exist paralell to physical reality. So when dreaming you are just as close to Source as in waking life (or closer). So when you have a deep psychedelic trip in a dream, you probably don't imagine it but experience the actual thing as if you were taking psychedelics in real life. In real life psychedelics work by changing your brain chemistry. In dreams they work through expectation. So it is helpful if you already had mystical experiences. But it isn't necessary. It's enough that you have some theoretical knowledge about enlightenment or just try to genuinely find out what Reality is made of. And therefore you don't really need psychedelics in dreams, you could just do some kind of self-inquiry but psychedelics are probably more powerful because you know how powerful they are and therefore will probably get you deeper.

If you want very conscious lucid dreams, then you need WILDs (wake induced LDs) rather than DILDs (dream induced LDs). I believe hypnosis is the most effective and reliable way to achieve WILDs. If you are very good at hypnosis, you can have OBEs as often as you want. As for more in depth: if you mean dream stability: engage all your senses. Touch objects, rub your hands, look at things very closely and try to see every tint detail,... say "more stable" simple math like 5 + 7 This will make the dream more stable and you become more conscious. To further increase your consciousness you could do some kind of self reflexion and try to be conscious and not on auto-pilot. Most LDs are similar to waking life. In astral projections you can be more conscious than in waking life. And Marco Lorenz said that you are far more conscious in soul travels, it's supposed to be a whole nother level

If someone is having an astral projection and is very advanced, he could go to your sleeping body and pull your astral body out. Thus you would now be conscious in your astral body and would have a normal astral projection. Yes, both possible I haven't done much research on the grid itself yet. But interesting that you mention the spider web. Some Psychedelics reports talk about similar things. And Jonathan Dilas said that he observed spider-like creatures which help to keep us in the matrix. This might also explain our innate fear of spiders. Most people are afraid of spiders, while other insects are largely fine.

Not much, I'm still a beginner... Thanks! That looks interesting, I will soon give it a try.

Here is the hypnosis post: And here the part about OBEs: I have directed the vast majority of my focus to hypnosis, but I'm still doing some visualizations. I guess doing hypnosis is far more powerful than the visualizations, but they still have some value: The better your visualisation skill, the easier the transition between a trance and OBEs. In his OBE book John Kreiter talks about how to change dimensions. This will probably be easier to do when you have been doing the OBE visualizations If you are interested in John Kreiter's way to immortality then you need the OBE visualizations. Improved visualization skills are good for magick. If you have the time, then train both. If not, then I would focus on hypnosis.

I believe hypnosis is the most effective way to have OBEs. To get started learning going deep into trance I would start with the hypnosis audios I listed under " 5.2 Deep Hypnosis" If you can already go into trance, then do some self-hypnosis or use your anchor(s). Depending on how deep this gets you into trance, the hypnagogia will probably turn into a dream. Otherwise it's good to just observe the hypnagogia, not concentrate too much on it but also not too less. I believe on Dreamviews.com are some good tips on how to turn hypnagogia into dreams.

Time is an illusion. When you are advanced at OBEing, you can distort and dilate it as much as you like. But it's very difficult, otherwise more people would report doing it... And learning a skill in lucid dreams is even said to be more effective than learning it in real life, because you are in your subconscious. Combine that with time dilation