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@Yarco before risking a heroic dose, go for a substance without tolerance like 5-MeO-DMT and do a tripping retreat. That way you can gradually and safely increase dosage. Tell your spouse it's safer that way. And that you will do it only once (the retreat).

If she is close and gets the slightest worry, she might call for an ambulance before he even took the psychedelics lol. Better lock her away instead

Guys, @Yarco is not talking about he + his spouse taking psychedelics. Only he intends to take psychedelics while his spouse is his trip sitter. The reason for his post is that his spouse doesn't want him to take psychedelics. @Yarco as it has already been mentioned, it might be better not to have your spouse as trip sitter. It would put too much pressure on you during the trip, which will make a bad trip more likely. A good friend is better. If you do the right practices consistently for 0.5-3 years, you can achieve similar states like what you could achieve on a first moderate psychedelic trip. So don't worry about it being your only shot. Go for Shamanic breathing . And self inquiry is a must no matter what. And you can add some dark room retreats. If you are a very serious practitioner, you could consider sleep yoga. That could possibly completely replace psychedelics.

The most profound I had with breathwork was when I was doing quick deep breaths (a more intense version of Leo's video) for around 45 min. After around 100 breaths the cramps in my hands usually get painful. Then I try to get all the air out and then hold my breath. Then deep inhale. hold breath. Relax. and then start over. The longer I do it the more itense the inhale after the exhale breathhold gets. It's a sudden (within 3-10 seconds) very noticible shift in consciousness. Trippy indeed. The peak lasts 10-40 seconds (the peak from the inhale). It's hard to explain what it feels like. But an exaggerated comparison would be to being sucked into outer/empty space. wow, 90 mins is LONG. Did you get the vibrations in your hands, feet etc? Maybe you weren't breathing intensely enough. Maybe try the more intense version I described above. But keep in mind that side effects (like passing out) are a lot more likely with the intense version. Breathwork is far more effective for altering your consciousness. Whereas self inquiry is more effective for getting insights and very gradully shifting your consciousness. Do both. I believe breathwork does release DMT (very low quantities however). Most youtube DMT vids probably work (some more, some less). I usually see no visuals when doing breathwork. But when I was on a dark room retreat, visuals got noticably enhanced during breathwork.

Yes. And neither can you trust your memories or thoughts. If someone shows you a juicy fruit and 999 people say it is sweet and 1 person says it's not sweet, then the likelihood is still 50%. You are just imagining their answers. Like daydreaming. This becomes really freaky when you apply that to enlightenment and Reality itself. Nothing that anyone has ever said really means anything. It could be completely different. You are alone and have nothing to rely on. Also notice that you have no idea where you are. Unless you are looking out the window, you don't know whats going on outside. There might be mountains. You might be in a forest, a city, on a ship!!! It might be winter or summer. You have no idea. If you fully get this, it gets very freaky

@Javfly33 Have you done these exercises? They helped me in dissolving the ego and disidentifying from the body. I particularly liked exercise 1,3 and 8. One of the biggest blocks I had was believing that obviously an ego can't be conscious of God or anything because the ego is illusion, but I thought that a human/body-mind can be conscious of God. Lol. There is just God imagining appearances. For example when there is an awakening, then that's just God imagining something different. And not a human becoming conscious of God. Try to 'shift' your pov. From a human perceiving appearances, to God perceiving appearances including this human. Body sensations and thoughts etc are just random appearances floating on the same level as the appearance of a chair, a table, a wall etc... And at some point you need to stop the duality of God imagining appearances. God is all there is. There are no appearances. Just being. Just God.

In case someone is interested in this visualization approach, check out this post: https://www.dreamviews.com/dream-control/80879-advanced-vision-control-tutorial.html . I just found it, it might be interesting. But If you really want to be lucid in all your dreams I recommend sleep yoga: Sleep yoga will also give you many additional benefits.

The technique takes some months to learn, but once mastered, you can have instant OBEs and lucid dreams whenever and how long you want. The technique is mainly from John Kreiter's book "Out of body experiences". (I just give a brief explanation of it and elaborate on some more points, so definitely buy his book, it is invaluable.) When you have an OBE, there are basically 3 places to go. 1. you can explore our physical universe 2. you can go to paralel universes/ other dimensions and 3. you can go to what John Kreiter calls the Grey zone. Every daydream or night dream takes place in this Grey zone. So dreams are a kind of OBE . Whenever you daydream you already have a very very faint OBE. The difference between a daydream and a lucid dream is that daydreams are way less vivid and your consciousness is not fully established in your daydream body, but is still in your physical body to a large degree. The difference between normal visualization of your neighbour's house and a real OBE in your neighbour's house is that the visualization is way less vivid and that you visualize the house, so you don't yet see the actual house. - The technique: Upon closing your eyes, you visualize your etheral/astral body in your room. You try to perceive everything from this new body through the new sense organs. Over the course of weeks and months, it gets more and more vivid and your etheral body starts to perceive the actual environment instead of visualizing it. You probably say that this is not possible but I believe it is. Google thought-forms/servitors/tulpas then it's easier to understand. A servitor is a real entity in the astral realm which you create through visualizations. The difference to your etheral body is, that the servitor has its own will and consciousness, whereas when you have created an etheral body, your consciousness can access it, such that it will eventually make no difference in vividness and realness whether you are in your physical or etheral body. If a servitor can pick up legitimate data from the physical world then so can your etheral body. If you doubt that a servitor can do that then google, there are too many people talking about it as that it could be untrue. Once your consciousness establishes more and more in your etheral body, your physical body will be in a trance and eventually enter sleep paralysis. - So are these OBEs actually as vivid as classical OBEs (including lucid dreams)? according to John Kreiter's book, it seems so Someone on the forum dreamviews says: "my level has increased tremendously, but I am not quite at the max. Right now, within 10 minutes of sitting down for a visualization, I can enter into a lucid dream, any time of day (...) I am hoping to be able to, with persistent practice, take this down to an almost instantaneous WILD at any time. https://www.dreamviews.com/general-lucid-discussion/163199-how-effectively-visualize-part-1-incubation.html and I have read similar things by other people but I do have a small doubt. Because - even though your body is in sleep paralysis - you are not in REM compared to classical lucid dreams (and OBEs in general I guess). I am very sure that you are not im REM, because these OBEs you can do as long as you want, longer than any REM phase would allow. So perhaps these OBEs are less stable or less vivid. I don't know, but according to the above-mentioned it seems that they can be equally vivid. But even if not, then it wouldn't be that bad. The solution: OBE-WILD - OBE-WILD This is the most instant and reliable WILD variation. Wake up in REM. get into your etheral body. Now you already have an OBE (potency depending on your level of mastery) but within a few seconds/minutes your body enters sleep paralysis, you are in REM and have a very vivid lucid dream. If you want you can use this lucid dream as a gateway to a classical astral projection. - Advantages of OBE-WILD (compared to other lucid dreaming induction techniques) Far more reliable then any other technique imo (if you already have a strong etheral body). You can probably reliably WILD in every REM (if you wake up). The problems with the classical WILD variations are that you either can't enter sleep paralysis because you are too conscious of your physical body (which is solved with OBE-WILD because your full consciousness is established in your dream body and your physical body would enter sleep paralysis anyways even if you weren't in REM) or you fall asleep because you can't stay conscious (which should be solved because being in your vivid etheral body, it should be more easy to stay conscious) you don't need to be in REM. you can have non-REM OBEs whenever you want and as long as you want (during the day, not during non-REM sleep). I guess that you could easily do this 10h a day if you wanted Full day-time consciousness, very stable and high dream control (just like every WILD, because you directly enter the dream with your day-time consciousness, unlike with DILD) Very vivid. Because your OBE is already very vivid and then gets potentially amplified by the REM phase you are (almost) instantly in the dream, compared to other WILD variations which often require you to lie still for 15-60 minutes - How long does it take? Let's assume that you have average visualization skills and practise 1h daily. So here are my assumptions: 1 month to build a strong etheral body. that means that you truly feel like you are in that body and not the physical body. These visualizations will probably feel like a very weak DILD. That also means that now you can start trying the OBE-WILD during the night in REM phases. But it will probably be still very unreliable 2 months: When on the physical plane, you start picking up legitimate objective data from the physical world. And many of your OBE-WILDs will be successful - Enlightenment Lucid dreams are a powerful tool for mysyical experiences. If you master the OBE-WILD technique, you can have mystical experiences every night. On top of that, I guess that you can have mystical experiences in the non-REM OBEs as well. But I am not sure because you are not in REM. Perhaps you would just get thrown back to your physical body because the OBE might be too unstable if not during REM (even though your physical body is in sleep paralysis during these non-REM OBEs). But if you can have mystical experiences there then that would be a game changer. You could induce any kind of mystical experience like a zen master (probably more instantly amd more reliably than the zen master) without decades of meditating, just some months of practising the OBE technique ( for non-REM OBE induced mystical experiences, you probably need at least 6 months of 1h daily practise). The reason that we can't easily have a mystical experience is because our consciousness is so firmly bound to and identified with the physical body. With these OBEs you instantly go around that problem by leaving the physical body and entering an etheral body. Once in the ethereal body it is way easier to induce an awakenig because everything is less dense on this plane. - Some Resources: Book: Out of body experiences by John Kreiter https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1535560479/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1576691019&sr=8-7 or kindle edition $3.61 https://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initiated-lucid-dreams-wild/128996-mancons-simple-visualization-wild-technique.html That's basically the OBE-WILD, he calls it V-WILD (I don't call it V-WILD because in the above-mentioned technique you actually have an OBE to induce the WILD) https://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-lucidity/141703-ldd-lucid-day-dream.html make daydreams so vivid that they are like lucid dreams https://www.dreamviews.com/general-lucid-discussion/163199-how-effectively-visualize-part-1-incubation.html visualization to WILD, so the same again. I have found out about it just a week ago. I am on day 6 and already see many improvements. I currently practice as many hours a day as possible. I have already tried the OBE-WILD during REM but without success so far, my etheral body is still too weak.

Good stuff!!!

How about that: In the future scientists will probably be able to instanlty awaken anyone, by messing around with their brain or DNA. (I'm not saying this is a good idea. Just saying it will be possible). That's possible because there is no "internal". Internal and external are a duality that doesn't exist. If it is possible to awaken purely from "within" then it is also possible to awaken purely from "without" (for example: psychedelics, mad scientists,..).

@Aaron p Great post! I personally really love bhakti yoga. Bhakti Yoga is very effective at creating emotions of love, bliss, selflessness, surrender and devotion. And raising your consciousness that way.

You mean the idea in general? I believed you meant about the Buddha specifically, therefore I addressed only that in my post. So in general: It is my observation that the more awake a guru is, the more he seems to be able to directly wake up some of his students. Since there are infinite degrees of awakening, I believe it is my logical conclusion, that it is only a matter of degree of awakening, and someone would be able to awaken every student. I never said something about how realistic such a depth of awakening is. It could perhaps be that the first human to pull it of will be in 1000. Or earlier.

Time dilation in lucid dreams is very difficult. So in order to be able to learn how to do it, I believe you should lucid dream every day for at least one 1 hour. Otherwise it's probably too unrealistic to learn. I know of 2 ways how to be able to lucid dream that much: sleep yoga Trying to DILD all the time. Like a natural lucid dreamer. A long time ago I made a post about that, about omnilucidity (=lucid in every dream). To achieve omnilucidity that way is probably a lot more difficult than with sleep yoga lol. And you don't have all the other benefits of sleep yoga. But total omnilucidity isn't necessary I believe, as I wrote, 1 h is probably enough. That is more managable. Instead of the ada (and pada) approach I rather recommend: Doing 5-10+ very short WBTBs every night; Do ing 400-700 quick reality checks every day ; spending 45 minutes trying to remember and journelling your dreams, every day. If you are very good at stabilizing dreams, you only need to get lucid 2-4 times a day. (Possibly also possible if you manage to reliably OBE 1h each day through WILD or astral projection. The technique is similar to the sleep yoga technique.) Then, on how to dilate time, I made a few posts about people talking about time dilation. read them. So how to actually dilate time: Just try it. And use the methods of reports of people who managed it. Once I'm able to do it, I will post my tips:) subliminals. I believe they will be very helpful. In 2 ways: To actually directly help you dilate time if you listened to a lot of sublimals (particularly subs about the subconscious) it will be a lot easier to control your subconscious and thus dilate time. "[Time dilation] has allowed me to perceive many years of dream content in a mere 2 hours of sleep. I have also had times in which I have slept for over 24 hours and dreamed for what felt like hundreds of years, to the point where I had forgotten many things from irl [=in real life]. I felt as if I could remain their indefinitely (or near indefinitely) but I always choose to come back for some reason or other. These days, since I tend to spend much more time in my dreams than the waking world, instead of keeping a dream journal I keep a sort of thisworld journal which I use to keep from forgetting important things irl. I write before bed and read upon waking to reintegrate myself into this world."- MyLynes, https://www.dreamviews.com/dream-control/101908-time-dilation-techniques-2.html (2nd page, 3rd post)

I stand by that this ability depends on how awake the guru is. But tbh, I have no idea whether Buddha was awake enough to awaken any spiritual seeker like that. I never did much research about Buddha, so I know almost nothing about him. So I guess you are probably right about Buddha. However, here are some possible explanations why he could have prescribed techniques even if he actually did have that ability to instantly awaken anyone. He might have been able to partly awaken someone. And additionally gave techniques to deepen their awakening. there might be karmic reasons He might not have wanted them to be fully dependent on him He gave techniques so they can keep getting more awake after his death with techniques it is more gradual. Thus less shocking He didn't have time to awaken everyone one on one

8 Approaches/Ways to achieve Sleep Yoga (Overview) I might sometimes say contradictory things on how to achieve sleep yoga. That's because there are many different approaches. 1. Normal Approaches - 1.1 Trance Trying to enter such a deep trance that your body can be considered asleep Alertness is given. So the major emphasis of trance work is on lowering your brainwaves (=making your body fall asleep) (that's way it's easier when you are tired). Once you enter deep brainwaves, you also need to make sure to maintain alertness. - 1.2 WILD WILD = Wake Induced Lucid Dream. For simplicity's sake, let's say that the technique is the same as the normal astral projection technique. The empahsis lies both on alertness and making your body fall asleep (=lowering brainwaves) The best time to practice is when you are in REM (after 3-7 hours of normal sleep). It can also work well when about to take a nap The key attribute of WILD: Tricking your body to believe that you fell asleep. Then the body enters sleep. That means you should avoid movement. Be wary of the roll over signal. You need a passive/relaxed concentration/alertness. Too much concentration and your body won't fall asleep. Too little and you lose consciousness. relaxation of your body is very important, otherwise it won't fall asleep Doing Trance during a WILD attempt can be very helpful When you get to the point where you would normally enter a lucid dream or astral projection, you resist that. Thus you remain in this shallow level of void. With practice you can remain there longer and deepen the void (= as your body goes into deeper sleep stages). - 1.3 Tibetan Approach Very similiar to WILD A big component is having awareness of awareness itself as the anchor to remain conscious. Their technique contains certain body positions and visualizations. As well as being helped by spirits. 2. Tiredness Approaches Different degrees of Tiredness: - A: Deliberate SWS core The way I described it in the first post of this thread Between 80 and 300+ minutes - B: Sleep Deprivation Sweet Spot Sleep deprivation worth of 15-40 hours of no sleep. (Everyone experiences 15 h each day) After let's say 25 hours you can start practicing. The exact level of tiredness which you need in order to perform the technique is very individual If you let's say are awake for 25 h and then sleep for 10 minutes, you then might have a sleep deprivation worth of maybe 23 hours. If you then sleep another 60 minutes you might then have a sleep deprivation worth of 21 hours. So the reduction of sleep deprivation is not linear. The more sleep deprived you are the more just a few minutes of sleep are able to hugely decrease your sleep deprivation. So after around 1 day of no sleep you might be in your sleep deprivation sweet spot. You can remain in this range for as long as you like. But for health reasons it is recommend to take a break every now and then. You could for example have 1/1/3 shedule. 1 day no sleep, 1 day sleep yoga and remaining in the sweet spot range, 3 days as much sleep as your body likes. A more demanding schedule would be 1/3/1. - C Extreme Sleep Deprivation Sleep deprivation of 72+ hours. Here you experience hallucinations. Some interesting reddit threads: link and link. The book "left in the dark" by Tony Wright has also a few very intersting pages about sleep deprivation. You can download the pdf version for free. Just google it. Your brain looks the same as the brain of someone who is asleep Your right brain half is more awake than your left Combining this level of tiredness with sleep yoga techniques makes it probably quite easy to remain conscious while the body falls asleep It is however not recommended because it is not good for your health at all. Besides, at this level of sleep deprivation 10 minutes of sleep probably result in 2-10 hours of sleep deprivation reduction. Thus you are quickly set back. And you are always on the edge of unintentional sleep. Potentially almost completely setting you back. The Techniques (for 2. Tiredness Approaches): - 2.1 Microsleep Repeatedly going over the edge. Your body falls asleep and you lose consciousness. Then you are quickly awoken with alarm clocks. This way you practice getting close to the edge The biggest benefit is that by repeadetly making a very quick transition from awake to asleep, you gradually train the skill to induce that transition consciously with your intention alone. You basically get a mega powerful trance skill. When you are extremely tired, you can fall asleep in less than 1 minute. So you can set alarm clocks (snooze modus) every minute. Thus there is a lot of practice. Every time you wake up, your body will be more relaxed. - 2.2. Remain conscious no matter what You simply don't allow yourself to lose consciousness, no matter what. You only allow yourself to fall asleep, if you remain conscious So a high degree of tiredness is required. The low brain waves are given. So the sole emphasis lies on remaining alert and conscious. You don't spend any effort on trying to fall asleep. Tiredness is the force that takes care of that. Don't split your attention. Only focus on remaining awake. There is no issue with movements (compared to the WILD approach) and you don't need to worry about body relaxation 3. Sleep Induced Approaches - 3.1 DEILD DEILD. Once you are about to enter a dream, resist it and try to enter the void instead. I made several DEILD posts in the past. I find DEILD a LOT easier than WILD - 3.2 After Lucid Dream When the lucid dream dissolves, you then are in the void for 0-3+ seconds. With MUCH practice you might be able to prolong that. If you are interested in that, your focus will be in mastering DILDs - 3.3 During Light Sleep or normal dreams Spontaneously getting conscious during light sleep, or spontaneously consciously entering the void from a dream. This might be most likely to occur when your are about to wake up. Seems extremely unlikely but this has actually happend to me around 9 times. In the progress uldate post I said that I finally managed to be conscious during sleep a few times. I'm not 100% sure but I think it never was directly from the waking state but from the sleeping state. I believe the first few times were as a result of reaching out to spirits. And then it happened again a few times, this time I believe as a result of to listening to subliminals. Anyways, it doesn't really happen anymore (only very rarely). Most likely because I stopped the things I did (or at least the intensity), which I believe led to it (reaching out to spirits and listening to subliminals. I still listen to subliminals but mostly for other reasons. And not in order to spontaneously get conscious during sleep. Because that approach takes too long. I currently do the " 2.2 remain conscious no matter what" approach. When I manage to get into my sleep deprivation sweet spot, I manage to consciously enter a very light form of light sleep. Subliminals are helpful for that approach as well.)

That depends on how awake the guru is. I guess the Buddha and Babaji were able to awaken any spiritual seeker, whether ready or not.

Bhakti yoga is the most beautiful spiritual practice. If done 'correctly', bhakti yoga can be quite potent. If I remember right Sadhguru said it's the quickest way to mahasamadhi. His wife did mahasamdhi as a result of bhakti yoga.

You don't see the moon. You see a white disk.

Even if you have been on the moon in the past, the moon is still a concept right now. Memories = concept. And if you were on the moon right now, "the moon" would still be a concept. You never encounter a "moon". Only grey rocks. (you don't even encounter "grey rocks". You 'encounter' only raw being. "grey rocks" is a label you project onto it)

Tripping on dream psychedelics for weeks on end in time dilated lucid dreams.

You are right. From the absolute perspective there are no implications. But from the relative perspective there are.

As for transcending desires. How about abiding in God consciousness? When I meditate on Love/God/Bliss, desires usually diminish to some extend. Sometimes sexual urges completely dissolve.

Ordinary physical death makes no difference. You just switch bodies (physical body to an ethereal body), the ego remains largely untouched. Only mahasamadhi can completely erase the ego.

@Gesundheit I agree

From the "expanded relative perspective" and from the "practical relative perspective", that isssue is resolved. Infinite experiences can exist paralell to each other.