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haha lol. It hasn't always been that way, so I guess it's due to my baseline consciousness. Just listening to music and I feel a noticable deepening. I've been wondering whether exhaustion has the same effect for other people. For me, it's almost magical lol. If you experience exhaustion you do feel a shift in consciousness, right? it has an effect on you, even if not in terms of nondualness, right? Even if it alone doesn't result in a deeper nondual awareness, it should at least make it easier to break through in combination with techniques.

@Javfly33 Do these exercises while tripping. For me, exhaustion also results in a deeper nondual awareness. (not comparable to psychedelics of course). Just running as quickly as you can for 2 minutes does the trick (once your pulse is somewhat lowered again). I get similar effects from: being tired. sleep deprivation breathwork eating a very large meal being sick orgasm + ejaculation

Oh I just realized you said it seems like you are "inside the body". If that's the case, and you are not at all identified with body sensations, then try to locate yourself inside your body. Where exactly are you? Try to be aware of that spot. Now it just becomes another sensation withing awareness/consciousness. Consciousness is not something apart from a sensation. Viewing that sensation from a metaperspective. Consciousness is that sensation! Thus you are everywhere.

That illusion is a tough one. you are identified with body sensations. Some questions: are you all body sensations. Including your little toe? What would happen to your sense of self if you cut off your legs? what happens if you are not aware of certain body sensations?( like for example you haven't been aware of the body sensation of your little left finger, until now). Are you dead during these moments? are you literally the body sensations or are you AWARE OF body sensations? And try to view body sensations the same way as a wall, happening beside each other. Do exercise 3 and 8. For me it has simply been about doing it over and over and over again. All these exercises make kinda sense, but it's extremely subtle in your experience. Too subtle to break through the illusion of a seperate self. So it's just a matter of keeping doing it. Gradually it becomes less subtle and more obvious. And you make the shift in perspective. Everything happening withing consciousness. All appearances happening beside other appearances, and not prior to other.

oh that's interesting. For me it was the other way around. I first got over the first and then the second. So you believe you are literally that voice/thoughts. All thoughts in general or only specific thoughts, like "I" or "me"? If only specific thoughts, then what happens when you have other thoughts like "apple". Are you dead during these moments? If all thoughts in general, then what happens when you have no thoughts (even if you can't stop your thoughts, there is a very short gap inbetween thoughts)? Are you dead during these moments? If you are dead during these moments then how can you experience / be aware of it? To see through the illusion of the first one it's basically as simple as that: Are you literally these thoughts? Or are you AWARE OF these thoughts? This doesn't break through the illusion of the seperate self yet. In my experience, identification with body sensations (particularly in the head and maybe chest area) are most responsible for the illusion of a seperate self. For that try to locate yourself. With your finger. Basically the first of these exercices: Exercise 3 and 8 are quite good too. You must view body sensations the same way you view a chair or a sound. All sensations are on the same level. You don't perceive a wall through that body. A body and a wall are two sensations happening beside each other. You are conscious of both of them. You are not closer to the body sensations than you are to a wall. Tell me where exactly you are stuck.

Do you believe that you are literally that voice/thoughts? Or do you believe there is a seperate self who has/thinks these thoughts and you are that seperate self?

Because there is still a subtle form of ego. Ego goes extremely deep. As long as you are physically alive there will be some ego. So yeah, utlimate heaven is only possible with mahasamadhi. But it gets already very heaven-like before that! Given that your awakening is balanced. I conceptualize the facets of awakening into these two categories: - Category A: no self Nothingness Imagination life is a dream ... - Category B: God Love Consciousness Infinity Bliss Peace ... If you have too much awakenings into category A without balancing it with category B you likely get depressed. But if you have a balanced awakening, a full complete awakenig, then that's no issue (once integrated).

Through meditation alone very difficult. But with sober techniques in general, more plausible. I've awakened to God, Love and that life is a dream sober. However, there are degrees. My current degree is a lot deeper than a few months ago. But probably incomparable to Leo's 5meo awakenings. But I believe I will get there eventually Your best shot is a combination of many different tools. I've done / have experience with following: kriya and kundalini yoga RASA transmissions shamanic breathing, wim hof breathing, DMT breathing self inquiry experimented with 30+ meditation techniques mystical experiences during dreams devotion, bhakti yoga dark room retreat sleep deprivation help and transmissions by spirits advanced law of attraction / manifestation techniques fasting masturbation and orgasm exhaustion trance hypnosis brainwave entrainment subliminals mantras prayer certain music (2 psychedelic trips) Many of them I do on a regular basis. And I'm working on mastering sleep yoga. The next step would be time dilation in lucid dreams. And then taking psychedelics in these time dilated lucid dreams. If I manage that, that will be the ultimate technique. My advice is: EXPERIMENT. And combine as much as possible. I've experimented with countless techniques and developed a powerful meditation technique that combines every hack / trick that works for me. A benefit of awakening sober is that your baseline consciousness is naturally very high. If a normal person experienced my baseline they would be in a psyche ward within 10 minutes lol.

@Gustav when you wake up you realize there is only Love. Everything is Infinite Love. Including suffering. From the ego's perspective it seems otherwise. But even that is Love. Suffering seems bad to the ego because it's perspective is severely flawed. Once everything gets recontexualized it is seen that everything is Love. If a child sees a women having an intense orgasm, it might think the woman is in pain. When the child gets older this gets recontextualized, and the child realizes that the woman is in extreme pleasure instead. In the same way suffering gets recontextualized into Love when seen from God's perspective. Just trust that everything is Love. Metaphorically speaking, God stands beside you all the time beaming Infinite Love at you, turning your every cell and every atom you encounter into pure Love, you just don't recognize it. (Why enjoy life after awakening? Because now you recognize that. In case you don't, you at least deeply know it.) And in reality, it's even infinitely better than in that metaphor.

Yes, that is possible. They are more than merely archetypes. They are non-physical but just as real as anything physical. In case you are not at least somewhat psychic, the relationship will probably be quite subtle. But results don't depend as much on your psychic skills. Look into Kali Ma. She is the destroyer of the ego. Some angels can help more than others. And pretty much all saints and mystics can help too.

@Thetruthseeker Pretty cool experience! One possible explanation might be: When you woke up, your brain or subconscious didn't fully realize that you were tripping during a dream, but that you actually took DMT. And it was so convinced of that, that it then induced a mild trip itself.

Certain instructions are useful to follow, but using the clock in the way you described seems hilarious. Accidentally meditating for 21 minutes makes you turn into stone or what? If the clock feels useful, use it. Otherwise ditch it. But don't tell your instructor, he might get a heart attack.

@Phyllis Wagner In my post I made the point that the return doesn't happen due to a psychedelic being flushed out (or any other relative factor) but due to God imagining the dream again. How exactly that happens, I don't know. I never had an awakening where the dream literally completely ended. When the dream is about to be imagined again, there is no feeling of being sucked out, because there isn't a seperate self yet. If it feels that way, you didn't completely die. Only once the dream is reborn/restarted does the sensation arise. After God 'decided' to imagine the dream. So this unintentional returining (from the ego's pov) doesn't contradict that you were the Godhead during the peak. Yes, unless you completely forget everything, complete amnesia, it's not 100% Godhead. what do you mean with "how they create" and "against their will"? There is no more seperate self, and probably also no more finite mind or thoughts. Only God. So it doesn't go against anyone's will. How does God start the dream again ? Can it be compared to a conscious choice the way we think of a conscious choice? Or is it simply a spontaneous passive birthing? Maybe it would need an extremely deep awakening in order to experience the rebirth as a concious act. I don't know. (btw I also don't think that there is an issue to make the dream continue where it ended. Because it never ended. There never was a dream before, no past. God creates a Now, which contains memories of an imaginary past. Every Now is created that way.) Several people in this thread have 'experienced' the complete end and rebirth of the dream. Perhaps they know the answer

"Neurons", " psychedelic", "flushed out" . During such a trip there is no more world. The dream has ended. You could say it's a temporary mahasamadhi. The return is not due to a psychedelic that stops working. That's just a story you create/imagine afterwards to explain what has happened. You return simply because God imagines it that way. There is no cause and effect. You never tripped because of a psychedelic. That's all God's imagination! You can use the relative perspective to try to make sense of the world. But ultimately, this is not how it works. God doesn't care about relative explanations. God imagines whatever the fuck he wants. Right now creation matches with how you imagine a relative world works. But you are lucky there. God could any moment imagine/create something different that is totally contradictory to relative explanations, because relative factors never caused anything, you just assumed that. God could at any moment start imagining that you starve when eating, and that you get fat when you don't eat. You have no fucking clue what's about to happen. But you have a false sense of security, based on an imagined past.

@Cireeric You as God never were born. And neither was this human. You imagine that birth right now. You imagine the whole dream right now. The whole dream is 'born' right now. It's 1000 times more radical than you think. Totally fucked up Be ready to lose everything. When you lost everything you will find God. God is the only 'thing' left. And God is Infinite Love. Enjoy

@Yarco before risking a heroic dose, go for a substance without tolerance like 5-MeO-DMT and do a tripping retreat. That way you can gradually and safely increase dosage. Tell your spouse it's safer that way. And that you will do it only once (the retreat).

If she is close and gets the slightest worry, she might call for an ambulance before he even took the psychedelics lol. Better lock her away instead

Guys, @Yarco is not talking about he + his spouse taking psychedelics. Only he intends to take psychedelics while his spouse is his trip sitter. The reason for his post is that his spouse doesn't want him to take psychedelics. @Yarco as it has already been mentioned, it might be better not to have your spouse as trip sitter. It would put too much pressure on you during the trip, which will make a bad trip more likely. A good friend is better. If you do the right practices consistently for 0.5-3 years, you can achieve similar states like what you could achieve on a first moderate psychedelic trip. So don't worry about it being your only shot. Go for Shamanic breathing . And self inquiry is a must no matter what. And you can add some dark room retreats. If you are a very serious practitioner, you could consider sleep yoga. That could possibly completely replace psychedelics.

The most profound I had with breathwork was when I was doing quick deep breaths (a more intense version of Leo's video) for around 45 min. After around 100 breaths the cramps in my hands usually get painful. Then I try to get all the air out and then hold my breath. Then deep inhale. hold breath. Relax. and then start over. The longer I do it the more itense the inhale after the exhale breathhold gets. It's a sudden (within 3-10 seconds) very noticible shift in consciousness. Trippy indeed. The peak lasts 10-40 seconds (the peak from the inhale). It's hard to explain what it feels like. But an exaggerated comparison would be to being sucked into outer/empty space. wow, 90 mins is LONG. Did you get the vibrations in your hands, feet etc? Maybe you weren't breathing intensely enough. Maybe try the more intense version I described above. But keep in mind that side effects (like passing out) are a lot more likely with the intense version. Breathwork is far more effective for altering your consciousness. Whereas self inquiry is more effective for getting insights and very gradully shifting your consciousness. Do both. I believe breathwork does release DMT (very low quantities however). Most youtube DMT vids probably work (some more, some less). I usually see no visuals when doing breathwork. But when I was on a dark room retreat, visuals got noticably enhanced during breathwork.

Yes. And neither can you trust your memories or thoughts. If someone shows you a juicy fruit and 999 people say it is sweet and 1 person says it's not sweet, then the likelihood is still 50%. You are just imagining their answers. Like daydreaming. This becomes really freaky when you apply that to enlightenment and Reality itself. Nothing that anyone has ever said really means anything. It could be completely different. You are alone and have nothing to rely on. Also notice that you have no idea where you are. Unless you are looking out the window, you don't know whats going on outside. There might be mountains. You might be in a forest, a city, on a ship!!! It might be winter or summer. You have no idea. If you fully get this, it gets very freaky

@Javfly33 Have you done these exercises? They helped me in dissolving the ego and disidentifying from the body. I particularly liked exercise 1,3 and 8. One of the biggest blocks I had was believing that obviously an ego can't be conscious of God or anything because the ego is illusion, but I thought that a human/body-mind can be conscious of God. Lol. There is just God imagining appearances. For example when there is an awakening, then that's just God imagining something different. And not a human becoming conscious of God. Try to 'shift' your pov. From a human perceiving appearances, to God perceiving appearances including this human. Body sensations and thoughts etc are just random appearances floating on the same level as the appearance of a chair, a table, a wall etc... And at some point you need to stop the duality of God imagining appearances. God is all there is. There are no appearances. Just being. Just God.

In case someone is interested in this visualization approach, check out this post: https://www.dreamviews.com/dream-control/80879-advanced-vision-control-tutorial.html . I just found it, it might be interesting. But If you really want to be lucid in all your dreams I recommend sleep yoga: Sleep yoga will also give you many additional benefits.

The technique takes some months to learn, but once mastered, you can have instant OBEs and lucid dreams whenever and how long you want. The technique is mainly from John Kreiter's book "Out of body experiences". (I just give a brief explanation of it and elaborate on some more points, so definitely buy his book, it is invaluable.) When you have an OBE, there are basically 3 places to go. 1. you can explore our physical universe 2. you can go to paralel universes/ other dimensions and 3. you can go to what John Kreiter calls the Grey zone. Every daydream or night dream takes place in this Grey zone. So dreams are a kind of OBE . Whenever you daydream you already have a very very faint OBE. The difference between a daydream and a lucid dream is that daydreams are way less vivid and your consciousness is not fully established in your daydream body, but is still in your physical body to a large degree. The difference between normal visualization of your neighbour's house and a real OBE in your neighbour's house is that the visualization is way less vivid and that you visualize the house, so you don't yet see the actual house. - The technique: Upon closing your eyes, you visualize your etheral/astral body in your room. You try to perceive everything from this new body through the new sense organs. Over the course of weeks and months, it gets more and more vivid and your etheral body starts to perceive the actual environment instead of visualizing it. You probably say that this is not possible but I believe it is. Google thought-forms/servitors/tulpas then it's easier to understand. A servitor is a real entity in the astral realm which you create through visualizations. The difference to your etheral body is, that the servitor has its own will and consciousness, whereas when you have created an etheral body, your consciousness can access it, such that it will eventually make no difference in vividness and realness whether you are in your physical or etheral body. If a servitor can pick up legitimate data from the physical world then so can your etheral body. If you doubt that a servitor can do that then google, there are too many people talking about it as that it could be untrue. Once your consciousness establishes more and more in your etheral body, your physical body will be in a trance and eventually enter sleep paralysis. - So are these OBEs actually as vivid as classical OBEs (including lucid dreams)? according to John Kreiter's book, it seems so Someone on the forum dreamviews says: "my level has increased tremendously, but I am not quite at the max. Right now, within 10 minutes of sitting down for a visualization, I can enter into a lucid dream, any time of day (...) I am hoping to be able to, with persistent practice, take this down to an almost instantaneous WILD at any time. https://www.dreamviews.com/general-lucid-discussion/163199-how-effectively-visualize-part-1-incubation.html and I have read similar things by other people but I do have a small doubt. Because - even though your body is in sleep paralysis - you are not in REM compared to classical lucid dreams (and OBEs in general I guess). I am very sure that you are not im REM, because these OBEs you can do as long as you want, longer than any REM phase would allow. So perhaps these OBEs are less stable or less vivid. I don't know, but according to the above-mentioned it seems that they can be equally vivid. But even if not, then it wouldn't be that bad. The solution: OBE-WILD - OBE-WILD This is the most instant and reliable WILD variation. Wake up in REM. get into your etheral body. Now you already have an OBE (potency depending on your level of mastery) but within a few seconds/minutes your body enters sleep paralysis, you are in REM and have a very vivid lucid dream. If you want you can use this lucid dream as a gateway to a classical astral projection. - Advantages of OBE-WILD (compared to other lucid dreaming induction techniques) Far more reliable then any other technique imo (if you already have a strong etheral body). You can probably reliably WILD in every REM (if you wake up). The problems with the classical WILD variations are that you either can't enter sleep paralysis because you are too conscious of your physical body (which is solved with OBE-WILD because your full consciousness is established in your dream body and your physical body would enter sleep paralysis anyways even if you weren't in REM) or you fall asleep because you can't stay conscious (which should be solved because being in your vivid etheral body, it should be more easy to stay conscious) you don't need to be in REM. you can have non-REM OBEs whenever you want and as long as you want (during the day, not during non-REM sleep). I guess that you could easily do this 10h a day if you wanted Full day-time consciousness, very stable and high dream control (just like every WILD, because you directly enter the dream with your day-time consciousness, unlike with DILD) Very vivid. Because your OBE is already very vivid and then gets potentially amplified by the REM phase you are (almost) instantly in the dream, compared to other WILD variations which often require you to lie still for 15-60 minutes - How long does it take? Let's assume that you have average visualization skills and practise 1h daily. So here are my assumptions: 1 month to build a strong etheral body. that means that you truly feel like you are in that body and not the physical body. These visualizations will probably feel like a very weak DILD. That also means that now you can start trying the OBE-WILD during the night in REM phases. But it will probably be still very unreliable 2 months: When on the physical plane, you start picking up legitimate objective data from the physical world. And many of your OBE-WILDs will be successful - Enlightenment Lucid dreams are a powerful tool for mysyical experiences. If you master the OBE-WILD technique, you can have mystical experiences every night. On top of that, I guess that you can have mystical experiences in the non-REM OBEs as well. But I am not sure because you are not in REM. Perhaps you would just get thrown back to your physical body because the OBE might be too unstable if not during REM (even though your physical body is in sleep paralysis during these non-REM OBEs). But if you can have mystical experiences there then that would be a game changer. You could induce any kind of mystical experience like a zen master (probably more instantly amd more reliably than the zen master) without decades of meditating, just some months of practising the OBE technique ( for non-REM OBE induced mystical experiences, you probably need at least 6 months of 1h daily practise). The reason that we can't easily have a mystical experience is because our consciousness is so firmly bound to and identified with the physical body. With these OBEs you instantly go around that problem by leaving the physical body and entering an etheral body. Once in the ethereal body it is way easier to induce an awakenig because everything is less dense on this plane. - Some Resources: Book: Out of body experiences by John Kreiter https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1535560479/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1576691019&sr=8-7 or kindle edition $3.61 https://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initiated-lucid-dreams-wild/128996-mancons-simple-visualization-wild-technique.html That's basically the OBE-WILD, he calls it V-WILD (I don't call it V-WILD because in the above-mentioned technique you actually have an OBE to induce the WILD) https://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-lucidity/141703-ldd-lucid-day-dream.html make daydreams so vivid that they are like lucid dreams https://www.dreamviews.com/general-lucid-discussion/163199-how-effectively-visualize-part-1-incubation.html visualization to WILD, so the same again. I have found out about it just a week ago. I am on day 6 and already see many improvements. I currently practice as many hours a day as possible. I have already tried the OBE-WILD during REM but without success so far, my etheral body is still too weak.

Good stuff!!!

How about that: In the future scientists will probably be able to instanlty awaken anyone, by messing around with their brain or DNA. (I'm not saying this is a good idea. Just saying it will be possible). That's possible because there is no "internal". Internal and external are a duality that doesn't exist. If it is possible to awaken purely from "within" then it is also possible to awaken purely from "without" (for example: psychedelics, mad scientists,..).