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What I don't get is how motion works (motion which is happening right now). Motion means that one appearance is changing into another appearance. How is such a change possible, given that past and future are imaginary? Any ideas? (My best guess is that motion is not one appearance changing into another appearance. Rather, there is one appearance which appears like there is one appearance changing into another apperance. But that is just an illsuion. There is actually just one appearance. 'Motion' is one appearance. But I'm not sure, it's mindfucking me.)

@TheDao As far as I know, many spritual taditions have something similiar. Building and strengthening an etheric body and then permanently transferring ego consciousness to it, before or at physical death. So I think it's most likely true. @Seraphim Sounds interesting. Is this subtle and similiar to most transmissions and acivations? Or has it a strong, very significant effect on you?

@m0hsen I don't think you need to bother with the breath much (not general advice). Just do it in the way it naturally happens and feels right. I also don't like to regulate my breathing. And have probably a similar energetic experience like you, without bothering about it. But in some instances, I noticeably feel stuff intensify if I combine certain visualisations with the breath and focus on it, therefore I sometimes do focus on the breath. With mastery of the breath, I think Yogananda ultimately refers to the breathless state. The breathless state is a significant achievement, and if you want to get there, you should probably strictly do the practices as described by them. What effect has kriya supreme fire on you?

Nice!! I think all energetic practices can eventually lead to that. But one of the most powerful practices for that is probably kriya supreme fire.

@Bjorgan What is your goal/vision/LP?

Inpressive! But it's not about how much you have done, but how much what you have done has grown you. Are you in God consciousness right now? This is the only thing that counts. If I understand you right, you want to become a vessel for God, an enlightened sage who can easiliy awaken others due to his high embodiment. Unless you are in deep God and Love and Infinity baseline consciousness, this ain't gonna happen.

What do you mean with becoming a god in this world? I assume you mean becoming an enlightened sage with deep baseline God consciousness? If you are serious about that you have a lot of work ahead. have very deep awakenings try to increase your baseline as much as possible Since you are able to communicate with spirits I recommend: Kali Ma Babaji, Krishna, Jesus, Buddha, Vallalar Angels like Metatron, Christine, Lady Charity, Raziel,.. Saints like Ramana Maharshi, Anandamayi Ma, Mary Magdalene, Yogananda, Ramakrishna.... All of the above can help you with enlightenment. Maybe your work with the collective unconscious can be fruitful. I don't know about such stuff.

why? What kind of guidance and perspective are you looking for? Being in contact with so many spirits, you have quite a lot of guidance already, I assume. What are you confused about? Are you unsure about that goal? Or unsure about how to get there? Love it! I'm in contact with spirits too. How old are you? And how deep into awakening are you already?

Kriya supreme fire with the heart chakra as concentration spot Heart chakra meditations Devotion and listening to Devotion Music Contact and connect with angels: Christine and Lady Charity (book: female archangels by Claire Stone). Uriel, Haniel, ... Contact and connect with Saints and Sages: Anandamayi Ma, Mary Magdalene, Agnes of Assisi, Krishna, Jesus, Ramana Maharshi,... Listen to energetically programmed audios: vibration of Divine Love from sapien medicine and Anahata from iawake Love and heart chakra youtube transmissions (from Kai Shanti, Mariella La Cunza,...) Visualize a deeply materialistic person, and visualize how he is severly suffering from it. Now visualize how he has a sudden intense Infinite Love awakening

@RendHeaven You mean both permanence and impermanence? How that? Can you explain?

@Leo Gura From the relative perspective? From the absolute perspective, only this moment right now exists and it is eternal. Past and future are imaginary. Other moments are imaginary. In this moment right now, stuff is changing, there is motion. This motion as a whole, is unchanging and undying, because there is no future, no other moments, no other motion. This argues for impermanence being not true. But if I interpreted your posts right, you say there is impermanence. Where is my mistake? how can there be impermanence when past and future are imaginary? (btw, I'm saying that permanence isn't true either, because there is no future)

@FoxFoxFox Do some kriya supreme fire for 30 minutes or more. You will notice whether it works or not. Kriya supreme fire is one of the most powerful practices to achieve what you are looking for. After around half a year of yoga, I noticed how the inner energies awakened more and more. Since that time, I only need to hold my breath for some moments and the energy immediately builds, my heart chakra opens and I'm in bliss. The more supreme fire you do, the deeper the love and bliss and the quicker you can access it, and the more it will be in your baseline. Channeling energy has a similar effect for me. Around 2 weeks ago, I started listening to some energetic audios: Anahata from iawake, and vibration of Divine Love from sapien medicine. I layered them into my subliminal bundles, thus I have been listening to them many hours daily. My ability to enter Bliss and Love has increased significantly during the past weeks. I think it is mainly due to channeling energy (as well as devotion, connecting with spirits, and transmissions), but I believe these audios had their share as well.

@Dodo Thanks!! @Blackhawk Impermanence hinges on the assumption that there was a past and that there will be a future. It is true from the relative perspective though. Luckily, no one is stuck. The sensation and belief that someone is stuck is floating in 'empty space', happening to no one.

@Dodo What do you think was the main cause for the light body activation? The fast? Asking Jesus? Your connection to Spirit? Something else?

@FoxFoxFox In my experience, practices which have an effect on your energy body are most effective for that. These are: kriya, kundalini, tibetan, tantra yoga and qi-gong psychedelics channeling energy sexual practices This results in increased prana flow, opening of energy channels in your body as well as raising your kundalini and opening your chakras. Most importantly (for that purpose) opening the heart chakra. All these energetic effects combined + having a non-dual baseline, can result in much bliss and love. Another effective practice to increase your baseline bliss and love is Devotion. Yes, that's probably the best way to directly awaken others.

@TheDao Interesting. Did you learn the practices only through the internet resources you posted, or did you find some good books too?

@TheDao Interesting! @TheDao @m0hsen I tend to think that kriya, kundalini and tantra yoga, are more powerful than Qi-gong. I did some Qi-gong some time ago and a bit research on it. From how it appears to me, it seems less potent. But I am sure, if someone does a lot of research on it, one will probably find some potent stuff there too. I think the more potent stuff is harder to find than in yoga. I still guess that yoga is more powerful, but I don't know. I guess yoga is better for enlightenment and Qi-gong for spiritual power.

@Kalo Crazy! Are you able to get back into that state? @SolarWarden you can be enlightened with dormant kundalini as well. @m0hsen I think - at your current stage - most progress probably comes from listening to your intuition and experimenting. If techniques seem good, do them, otherwise do your own stuff. If you quit all techniques and just worked with your energy trigger ability, you will probably naturally get deeper and deeper. But yeah, progress will probably be faster if you do techniques and study the system. I guess the value in studying this stuff would be that you will get a clearer picture of how exactly you will get to your goals. Which techniques to do and which not. And developing your own.

Interesting stuff. I guess it will take quite some time till one gets there. I personally will take a different route. A low level light body development also has all the benefits you mentioned. I guess it's very different from person to person, but I'm pretty sure that I will have much more success with light body stuff. How do you like Sadhguru? He has mastery over the things you are interested in. I think his yoga techniques are weaker than kriya and kundalini yoga, but he gives online initiation transmissions, which I believe are probably potent. Maybe might be something for you.

@m0hsen Did you ever perceive one of these things beyond the energy body? @Kazman I will check it out!

any resources suggestions?

I was talking with @m0hsen in the sleep yoga thread about energy work. I made this thread here to seperate the energy work stuff from sleep yoga. So I'm gonna answer to some of the energy questions here. "What is your experience with energy channeling btw? Are you planning to go for a Kundalini rising or what?" When I channel energy, some sensations are similar to kriya supreme fire. But it's more intense and more energetic whereas supreme fire tends to be a bit more non-dual and more blissful. The energy also feels different. I get a lot of pressure in the crown chakra and third eye chakra area and when the session is very intense, it gets uncomfortable in the upper body too. I also hear a gentle buzzing sound. I think I already have a partial kundalini awakening from yoga, transmissions and other practices. And I'm sure whatever is still dormant will be awakened with my energy channeling.

I am intending to make a light body thread at some point in the future, once I have more experience. But you are right, it's a good idea to already make a thread about energy work in general. Developing the light body will be more than just usual energy work. Energy work is an important foundation (in most cases). Tens of thousands of hours of energy work can be done, but it will most likely not lead to the light body, unless it is coupled with other crucial techniques. I'm gonna talk more about that in the light body thread, but first I gotta get more experience and deeper understanding. So the energy work thread might build the foundation for the light body thread. I can then link it into the light body thread. I'm gonna answer to your questions in the energy Energy Work Thread.

Ramaji gives monthly satsangs with RASA at the end, and Kai Shanti gives weekly live transmissions on learnItLive.com . Both are powerful, IME. Not comparable with youtube transmissions. You could go through all the youtube channels that give transmissions and look whether they have any old live transmission videos. If they do, frequently check on these channels to see when the next live session will be. But it seems like hardly any creator does that. You could also try it on google. There are probably quite some who give live transmissions on other platforms. If anyone finds some, we would be happy to hear about them:)

Transmissions by someone live and which are one on one are usually more powerful, but transmissions on YouTube can work too. 1. Kai Shanti She channels God's Love and Grace and Kundalini Shakti and also sometimes speaks an intuitive light language. Her transmissions had a huge impact on me. I can feel the transmissions and sometimes it gets intense. Since being exposed to several of her transmissions, my normal meditations have become deeper, it's easier to surrender and I have deeper Love awakenings. 2. Ethan from Everything Explained It works!! He is also on the forum, @Synchronicity. You gotta check out his other YouTube videos too. Ethan has a very interesting talent, it's like the ultimate siddhi, he explains it in this Thread. 3. Into The Unknown Love transmission ❤ He is on the forum as well, @Mu_. It's worth checking out his YouTube channel!!! 4. Siddhanta Yoga Most of her transmissions are pure kundalini transmissions like this: But she also has other transmissions. When I energetically connect with her hand movements, I can feel their impact on me (subtly). 5. Jan Esmann 6. The Enlightened Way 7. Mariella La Cunza Quite interesting transmissions. 8. Trigram Healing Transmissions usually have both an immediate / short term and a (usually subtle or very subtle) gradual long-term effect. 2 years ago, I probably wouldn't have felt the immediate effects of transmissions. How well transmissions work mainly depends on your receptivity and sensitivity. Do you know of any good YouTube transmissions?