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Realization that loving yourself and everything around you is key for enlightenment and to reach the turquoise stage. At the same time we have to also wage jihad against the lower conscious self to become more enlightenment. Isn’t this a paradox or am I understanding it wrong? We must love our lower conscious self who is responsible for addiction, suffering and pain and at the same time we have to wage a jihad against it “to kill” the ego and lower conscious self. How does this jive? Last couple of days I have been thinking about it and it kind of left me in a crux.

Isn’t it super natural you are here?

@Commodent ego is the manifestation of the universe. Without ego humans wouldn’t exist. It is literally responsible for the me versus everything else paradigm and to survive that is needed. I think turquoise stage doesn’t clash with the ego. I think the turquoise person looks at the world both from the ego perspective, non ego perspective plus everything else.

Human’s goal is to reach highest phase of enlightenment. I think even Leo said something in this direction. He also said that humans are consciousness probes in the universe exploring itself. If you do research and see the big picture this is what you see. Some people don’t see that and that is ok. They aren’t meant to see it. But deep inside everybody wants to know why we are here on this earth. Most people live their entire life without finding out. The ego is basically “god” itself who denies it is god, as Leo puts it. It is basically a battle between consciousness and unconsciousness. The key is to look third person to this battle. I think that is the bottom line but I could be wrong.

@Commodent for the ego it feels like “the old self” is dying. That is why there is a backlash when we are trying to change. I think your comment about changing one’s relationship to the experience hit the spot though. That insight breaks the ego paradigm that is holding personal change on a leash.

@Truth Addict ok. I understand now.

I become a different person too. I’m still struggling to keep long streaks. Something I have to work on.

Every person’s life purpose is different but I agree there are overarching principles and concepts, those ones he discusses, for example he makes videos on the following topics: mastery, strategy, creativity, responsibility and so on. Your job is to take these general topics and apply it to your own life. He is still busy with covering wide range of topics. I agree the specific instructions for every life purpose isn’t covered. That is why it is important to not only depend on him but to look for other sources: finding books for your own life purpose, specific seminars, finding life coach and so on. Are there any topics you want Leo to cover? I’m curious what they are. You can actually do requests in one of the sub forums.

Leo focuses on big topics so you can see the big picture. You have to connect the dots to make the big concepts, that are too general, to small day to day concepts. And you are right that Leo doesn’t do that because it is your job to do that. Every person’s “maze” is different. It is your belief that the maze Leo is in is different than yours and you are probably right.

Only thing you can do wrong is not talk about it. Find therapist or start recording your own personal podcasts and listen them back and take notes.

I’m taking psychedelics once a week and I already discovered I’m still very egoistic, instead of being like a force of nature (which you trying to explain if I understand you correctly). I just finished the life purpose course so I just started. I need to make a schedule I think. So much to remember to do everyday like meditating with all the different techniques, journaling/contemplating, and so on.

I just discovered one of my limited beliefs is that “I have started 0-10 in the game of life.” Obviously this is special snowflake behavior. There are people who are much and much worse than me. I’m 30 and I recently discovered I chose a wrong career path. If I find my life purpose this time (at age 30). I will be luckier than a lot of people who don’t find their life purpose at all.. so it is a question if the glass is half full or empty. Even after this realization. I’m still being drawn into this paradigm time after time. Am I missing something?

@DivineSoda I actually want to go in IT. Do you mind me asking what moved you away from IT to another sector? Perhaps I could learn from your process.

Do I have another option than letting go? It slips away. It almost feels like soap.

Is there a way to record these moments? They are truly above words. Perhaps not only to share them but also to recreate them. It seems they come and go and I even forget them until I have them again.

@bejapuskas @Natasha thanks a lot.

If I don’t take notes I just don’t get anything of the books and videos that I’m consuming. I really have to sit down and take notes and afterwards piece things together, rearrange things in my mind and then reread my notes couple of times Is this something prone to me because perhaps I’m not use to this and over time it will get better? I’m wondering how many people take notes while watching actualized org for example..... I have been watching actualized org for couple of months and I just rewatched one video (about strategy) that I watched a while back (before my breakthrough). And I just released nothing stuck. Perhaps because I didn’t give my full attention and was at the gym. The purpose of this thread is this: soon I will be starting my 200 book challenge and if I’m forced to take notes it will considerably slow down my speed. What strategy is smart? Do you take notes? Do you read fast or slow?

@Natasha thanks a lot. Also that just came to my mind: there are book summaries on the internet I can use after I read the actual book. @bejapuskas in which sub thread is that?

But how does that jive with self interest from a turquoise/yellow point of view? So it is not contradicting to defend yourself (at the expense of others if you must, but preferably not), defend your country (so for example blue/orange stage society doesn’t take over), enrich yourself (to get financial freedom to have time to self actualize)because one’s self interest represents the good of the greater picture??

The thing that comes to my mind when reading this is this: the human mind can only piece together so many perspectives. Our mind is like a laser so we can put our attention on limited amount of things. I try to imagine how it is to be turquoise. It seems to me it is very hard to piece together all the perspective and still function as a normal human being because one’s attention would go in every direction. For example imagine a green stage person in an office who looks at things from his own and his company’s perspective. And imagine a turquoise colleague of the green stage person who doesn’t look at things from his own perspective but from the “network of perspectives” or sum total of perspectives. Why would he even work for that company? Is the turquoise person looking at things from sum total of the perspectives but still pursuing self interest?

So the only thing we can “grab on” is the absolute? Because all perspectives and concepts are relative?

I was going to ask: wouldn’t that make us nihilistic?... but I just realized that is another perspective.

I read one of her books about spiritual exercises. It was very good.

I’m 30 and in my culture I have maxed out being single and not having a family. The answer is I shouldn’t care what other people think. And I don’t but my choice to start a family and my life purpose go hand in hand. What are my options? I have two. I have the option to chose to get a 9-5 job in accountancy which I hate, get my life straight like finding a apartment, find a gf and be fully plugged into the matrix. The other option is do what I think I want: learning programming, start a business which would give me time/money to go full throttle on actualization. Second option is risky because I don’t know if I’m capable of creating a side business to finance my journey to learn a new craft (programming) and give me time to go full throttle on actualization. I have actually enough money to be independent for 4 years which would give me enough times to get a bachelor in programming. I actually thought myself programming but I discovered they want a diploma. Costs of a bachelor is 2k euro per year here. No insane costs like in the US. Other option would to go lone gun, not get a degree and build a programming portfolio to get into a traineeship or something. The replies I will get to this thread I can already predict. To go for 9-5 accountancy job I hate is craziness... but how do I address the part of my inner self who is going full ape shit right now? I can deal with family members who ostracize me. How do I deal with my insecurity? I want to start a family one day. I can easily postpone it and because I’m not female I don’t have to worry about my biological clock either. It is probably because I don’t want to fail.

@Elisabeth thanks. It must be harder for females, if they want family/children one day, since they have a biological clock. I think I have to weigh the options. If I’m going to rush it I will be unhappy. That is for sure.