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Fair enough My experience is that those techniques helped me to open my mouth. Thanks to those techniques I made a lot of progress. Without those techniques I wouldn't even know how to open my mouth and talk to girls. If you tell an incel... "go talk to some girls!", he would just look at you weirdly and ask you what to say. A lot of guys just don't know how to talk to girls and they aren't necessarily incels. Connection and intimacy is really the foundation of trying to get girls I agree on that. Personally I see PUAism only as some tools to spice things up. If you told an incel.. "forget about PUAism, just build connection and intimacy", you know what would happen? He would be needy, weird and just off. Girls would be creeped out by him and the incel would go back to his man cave. To build connection and intimacy the guy needs some experience and know how. Personally I'm using a mix between PUAism and just being myself during nightgame. Completely dropping PUAism and just being myself doesn't work during daygame. Most girls don't want to connect with every guy. First their interest need to be sparked with flirtation. That is when pickup comes in. Social game or night game is different ball game though. I have no trouble with this and no PUAism is needed because of social proof.

A lot of guys miss emotional intelligence or just being able to make an emotional connection. Females are just better in this so I guess it makes sense they are better in picking up other females when they are bi or gay. Awareness (like being able to calibrate) and emotional connection is really the core of picking up women. All those other "PUAism" like pickup lines and such is a cherry on top of the cake.

Female-male relationship dynamic is different than female-female relationship. Come on Emerald. We? You are speaking for all women? Try to take third person perspective: 1. On the one hand you have men who approached thousand of females and know what works on the grand scale of things. 2. On the other hand you have females who have individual opinions and who don't see the grand scale what works for females. Now you turn into a man for one week and you get to approach women and perhaps sleep with them, who's advice would you take? 1 or 2?

@Emerald hahahah, that made me laugh. God bless your heart. I know but I'm learning. It is amazing how sturdy they hold onto their paradigm. This is why I never talk about out of female paradigm stuff to females. It is just alien language to them. They really have to grow some cock and balls (and try to pickup women) and try to be a guy for couple of weeks to understand us. So I really don't blame them.

But you are just 1 girl. I talked to hundreds of girls and I have pickup friends who are highly successful who know what they want and how to get it, but let's agree to disagree. Such things are nice for psychoanalysis but I think most guys won't say the truth when you ask them. Especially guys who have high numbers.

Fair enough. Women do have nightstands too, of course not with beta males that are boring and don't know how to make her juices flowing. They will do it with alpha males who know how to make her juices flowing. I agree this is a phase for women but this phase comes and goes. A lot of beta males get a chance from certain women when those women get bored of alpha males and they downgrade to beta males so they have stability and settle down. Of course there is also alpha male providers. Guys who have their life together but also know how to make her juices flowing. These guys are very rare. Most women don't have the value to attract such a guy and hold him so they chose an alpha scrub (a guy who knows how to make her juices flow but not have his life together). Where do you think my passion comes from? Perhaps it is hard to understand from the female perspective. I speak from first person experience. Being a nice guy, being a provider, won't guys one night stands, nor abundance. Well, I respect your taste in men. I wish more women were like you. The truth is this: go into a nightclub and see which guys get most luck with girls. Try being a guy for one day and come back

When I talk about alpha male I mean top of the food chain. That is how alpha is used to describe animals too. So I wouldn't call alpha males scrubs. An alpha male is a guy with options. He has characteristics that attracts female attention. If you have a bf who is alpha (and he is a scrub) good chances that other women will try to fuck him just for the kicks of it, to get at you or what ever justifications women have. It is easy for a guy without options not to cheat. It is difficult for a guy with options to cheat. It has nothing to do with being a provider. An alpha male can be a provider too. The thing is that a lot of women downgrade from an alpha scrub to beta cuck/provider because they become of age and they need to settle down.

Nice guy uses niceness as a strategy for personal gain. I agree on that but calling them assholes is kind of weird. Everybody has their own strategy for survival. Nice guy needs to stop lying to himself that niceness is a valid and working strategy. Niceness is really pseudo selflessness and girls don't buy it. And the worst part of it is that nice guys are not aware of it so in that sense they have very low consciousness. Pickup artists on the other hand don't have to be nice and they know it doesn't work. They know how to play with the girl's buttons to open her up. In that sense pickup artists have higher awareness about dating while they are less consciousness (more immoral than a nice guy who would never do that).

Most men don't cheat because they don't have the option to cheat. I see a lot of women say "my man doesn't cheat" with a proud gesture. Hunny he doesn't have the option. He is a provider beta male. For an alpha male it is a different story. Girls just get attracted to them. Even if he doesn't pursue girls, girls will find him and that guy needs a strong ego to not give in to his inner stallion.

So why do pickup artists get their dick wet all the time and a nice guy with their heart at the right place don't get anything? It is true that the pickup artists don't desire women as much as a desperate nice guy because he is already getting enough but I wouldn't say the pickup artist is more selfless than a nice guy.

Really good points... "It's very easy to understand. Power = consciousness. All states of consciousness which are less than infinite will have finite power. And infinite power isn't really free either because it must all be given selflessly to Love. So the idea of manipulating reality for your personal finite gain cannot hold at high states of consciousness. So your ego's power fantasies will never get fulfilled. But you can surrender to selflessness and Love. The cost of infinite power is all finite definitions and attachments. Such that once you reach infinite power you have absolutely no personal need to have it. It's just like with attracting women: the guy who needs sex the least will get it the most. And the guy who needs it the most will get none" -----

I'm over-philophizing in this thread. Next two weeks I will try to do this less. I will work on an emotional energetic level. Let me try a different ball game! The nice thing with emotions is that it is happening right now. Thoughts (theorizing what I'm doing here) is not here. Doing some theorizing is good but I'm doing it too much and it made me out of touch with my emotions thus the now. Emotions is really like water. It is like the ocean. There are waves coming and going. If you are a surfer want to ride a wave, it is all about catching the momentum and balancing on the board. I will be doing this with my life in general.

@Thought Art you say you lost your flame and then you say my career is "mathematically impossible". Without emotions you won't have inner flame. And emotions have nothing to do with math. Emotions are really about surrendering and letting it happen. If you try to control emotions you will just get stuck in life. Your life will be on freeze. Let emotions flow and your life will flow. Without emotions there is no inner movement thus no passion or work ethic.

Surrendering to life is not easy but it is really what spirituality is all about. Your music career might not work out but perhaps it will lead to another career. For that to happen it is important to not be attached to your music career. By the way, I'm not saying give up on your music career. By all means be passionate and go all in, so you don't have regrets later on.

Omg. The story I told in my earlier post in this thread was after a full day of approaching girls. It could be a sign from the universe to teach me a lesson. ?

I had a Russian dude approach me today ask me if I wanted to eat chicken nuggets with him in the park. I was just nice to him but he was like "hold these chicken nuggets. I'm going to get wodka and cola from the supermarket and be right back." I said "no, I'm going home." He was all sad. Now I know how it feels to be a hot chick. Guys are way over their head. I'm straight as a straight guy can be so I had no interests in it from the start. I was just curious what his spiel would be.

I have some experiences with 5 Meo DMT but they were not nice. I have trouble with surrendering.

@Roy that is so funny you said that. I'm really control over myself and not over the girl. So I approached this girl. She was not my type and actually ugly but I thought I need to hit the 5 approach streak. So I was just joking around about the weather and how love was all around. She got really mad at me for saying I was looking for love. We got in a fight. ? She got rude although I was obviously joking about the love part of my story. It is totally not me but it was so empowering to basically say to her that I found it funny and it is her freedom to not find a funny. And I stood my ground. It was not really about pickup. It was about my principles of not putting up with rudeness.

What I really stop trying to do: not reinvent the wheel as much as possible. Yes. Pickup is learned by having boots on the ground but for me boots on the ground is also about self awareness. Huge sticking point for me is being a nice guy. I don't need to figure it all out by myself. This book is exactly what I need so why wallow in my misery? I know what to do. Pickup is really striking at the core at who I'm. Pickup, relationships or anything else is really about habits:

I have a friend who tells me stories like this and I'm listening with a dick that is half hard. It does motivate me to push harder and give me insights what girls respond to. I learned more from him in couple of hours than I learned from pickup programs. It is really about the energy that the guy carries.

@OBEler my experience with psychedelics is different. I took medium doses of lsd and I totally freaked out. I couldn't relax and my thinking was in overdrive. You are right though. I was supposed to stop thinking and do infinite intelligence do its work.

I took some modafinil because I have a deadline tomorrow. I thought let me experiment pickup on that substance. Not a good idea. I'm just a little bit off on it.

If you want to do psychedelics to heal, you also need to know a lot about the psychology of trauma healing. Otherwise that would be like giving a 1000cc motorcycle to a rookie and expecting nothing bad will happen.

what do you like about that book?

I can resonate with this. I'm glad it happened though. It opened my eyes about the truth about myself and how dating works. For some reason (while I know it is not true), I thought only guys can rejected through this way. Dating dynamic is different for a guy than for a girl though. I guess a lot of girls are afraid to be pumped and dumped. We guys don't have this, so our strategy is different. I guess if I could fuck this girl and she dump me I would be less "fucked". In a sense, I feel - emotionally - pumped and dumped by her because she keep cancelling on me the last moment. This is not the first time girls do this to me though. If they are manipulative like this eventually I will have to become like that too. That is really the crux. Especially for a guy it is important to have high self-worth, otherwise we tend to put a girl on a pedestal and that is an instant libido killer for a lot of girls. Hm, I guess that was my biggest mistake; to be emotionally detached. With confronting I mean just telling her how I perceive things like: "you cancelled our date 3 times in a row, what is up with that?" I don't think that is losing patience and composture. True