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@Leo Gura I deleted that's unresponsible thread and I try to be conscious in this thread. @Preety_India the girls that like fuck boys don't admit they like them. That is the whole thing. Some girls even burn their fingers with fuck boys but they are so unaware that they keep going back to these type of guys because they are unconscious to what they are attracted.

I told myself to stop approaching but I can't. I got two phone numbers. I think they are solid. Now I'm in the park reading a book and girls are trying to get my attention by dancing and waving at me. I don't know what to do. I'm not familiar with approaching three girls. Also I get eye contact while previously I wouldn't get any or a lot. The energy that one carries is so important. It is difference between night and day.

@Striving for more I actually appreciated Hulia's response. Female perspective is different than male perspective. And from her point of view it might seem that way. We can still learn from female perspective but we are not females. We kind of need to reverse engineer their advice. Guys who are good with girls can implicitly communicate sexuality. That is where seduction happens. That is where the magic happens. It seems a lot of girls are not aware of this. For girls it is important how they feel. Nothing else is important really. That is what I learned.

Today I got an instant date and another real cute girl who was interested who keeps texting back. I don't know what I did different. I think major point is this: emotional spiking is very important. As a guy it is better to be a massive dick that pokes her emotions than be the best guy who is just boring and doesn't spike her emotions. That is the lesson I learned from this thread. Probably there is more but I need to contemplate. I don't know much about algorithms and I wouldn't know how to construct them. That is the problem.

That is true but what can I do different. Most girls only have max 10 minutes to talk. My conversations are usually between 5-15 minutes with majority to the short end. If I play my cards right I usually get her number but I don't get the chance to implement your strategy of chatting her up. They either immediately say they changed their minds about me or they ghost me. Thanks for these insights. You talk down on fuckboys but fuckboys get much more game than me, so there is something that they are doing right and I'm doing wrong. I have a friend who is a fuckboy and he get's massively rewarded by girls for being what he is and they know from their core that he is a fuckboy and they are attracted to that. He does do these things you are talking about very well though He is very good at emotional stimulation He is not desperate He has big heart but he lies to just get in their pants A lot of girls just throw sex at them although they just met him But he does have low morals For some women what they want: relationship or one night stand can change depending on the time of the month.

Good points. I'm already aware of it but sometimes I forget it. They call it PUAism versus socializing. PUAism is meant to get something from the girl Socializing is meant to get to know her. Can I ask you something? If a guy is hot enough do you tolerate PUAism? I feel like it is just my looks that hurt my success ratio. I don't look bad but I'm also not a looker. I really can't change that about myself though. Best I can do is to minimize my creepiness and boringness. Also I tend to smile a lot, I think it is too much and I can't stop it. lol. By using this I got a phone number of a really good looking girl but guess what. I asked her what she is doing today and if she wants to meet. No, answer yet. I never get fake numbers by the way. I know but the communication almost died out since she flaked on me coming to my home. I'm just dumb struck how cold hearted these girls can be. It went from I'm coming to your home to radio silence, and I gave her nothing in the mean time to change her mind about me. If anything, I learned that I need to be cold hearted as these girls. Why shouldn't I be ruthless to pursue my self interest like them? I can go to the city centre and get few numbers but none want to meet. My flake rates from girls are extraordinary high.

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Conner's strategy is no better than Leo's strategy. Both use spirituality for survival. The difference is that Conner actually followed suit and gave away all of his money and bitcoins.

I'm doing it for myself really. I still have that toxic side in me that just wants to be a fuckboy (for a while) to get the experience but I'm just too broken to do that. I'm just being honest about it: I'm in no way become an angel. I just got hurt so much by that girl putting me on hold (she is probably going to reject me) that I just want to be a stronger/healthier person for myself. Those ceremonies are expensive and I would kind of find it embarrassing. Thanks.

How can people say they transcended survival and still live in a house and such? If the illusionary self is eliminated why not take some homeless people in your house? Distribute all your money to poor people? Connor Murphy actually did this but people see him as a crazy person right now, and he got kind of disowned for his crazy behavior. I also don't think the world would be a better place if everybody was like that.

It depends on my mood but usually yes. My default state is being reserved and shields up. I can get into high conscious moods but it always goes back to the default the next day. I think it is a lack of frame; not knowing what to feel or what to say. I'm doing some grounding exercises to connect to the body/emotions/feelings/sensations and that helps a lot to get a frame on things.

The hungry don't get fed. The ones who are not hungry get fed. I'm calculating my own success rate based on girls who are available. Counting girls who have a bf in the success rate doesn't make sense but at the same time a lot of girls say they have a bf to get rid of you, so it is fishy. Yes. Normally she would text me every 2-3 days. Since she cancelled our date (she would come to my place) she doesn't next me any more. When I ask her I get the feeling she doesn't want to see me any more she says "that is not true, I'm just busy", which I know is not true. She has 2 free days per week. Don't you have the same problem though? I remember that you made a topic about a guy flaking on you. The thing is that this problem that we have is not easy to fix. I already know what m problem is. I just don't know how to fix it.

Bro, I don't even get the chance to show my authentic self. I can get phone numbers from cuties all the time and they show high enthusiasm, which can't be faked but I guess I don't build enough emotional connection or something. This is how it goes: I talk to her like 5-10 minutes. I can see her interest level so I close I get her phone number and she agrees to get coffee or something I text her and she flakes or ghost me This happened numerous times. The problem could be lack of emotional connection or perhaps they just don't like how I look. If it is the latter I can't do anything, if it is the former I can work on it but to be honest I'm a little bit lazy about it. My therapist says I can't make connections with others if I'm not able to make an emotional connection with myself: that is not easy! I'm emotionally dissociative all my life.

This is so true From my topic: I discovered what I'm doing wrong. I really have to heal myself with more self-love, integrate disowned parts of myself. Currently girls just bail after a certain moment because they instinctively feel the lack of self-love. Also I got some flashbacks how I was few years ago. I made tremendous progress. And sometimes I think I need to be perfect but are fuck boys perfect? They aren't. Fuck boys actually have more self love than me (although they are immoral) and they play the survival game to their own benefit. Cultivating self-love for me means caring more about other people than myself, but that is not self-love. I have to be truthful. I'm just using "love" as a currency to get something from the other. The love that I'm aiming at is actual love of my personal self and be truthful about survival games; which means not using pseudo-love as a currency for survival.

Is it not more complex than that? I remember you saying that reality is real, not real and both.

So I dated this girl a few times and that exponentially improved my quality of life. I started loving myself. Life was so exciting. I was full of life and extra energy to get shit done. It wasn't even a relationship but simply dating her and receiving love and attention from her healed me a little bit. Now she is using the "I'm busy" line for two weeks and I've lost my source of love. She was really like a sun in the darkness. @ll Ontology ll thanks. I will think about the algorithms. Do you have any book recommendations on the topic?

Very deep inside I just want love from a girl. I'm not able to because I have trouble with dissociation from my feelings. Currently I'm focusing on being able to freely express myself by being connected to my emotions. I have trouble doing that because I freeze up. I made a lottt of progress on this front but I still do get the "medusa-complex". It is a tough nut to crack. I'm reading some books on trauma healing and I will read some books on shadow work, confidence, archetypes and probably some other stuff.

He says he never did psychedelics and he is very proud on that. Is just basking in non-dual/absolute truth/divine love enough though? I think integrating lessons is just as important. There are some books on psychedelic healing. I hope that will help me.

It is so hard to understand this perspective. How come they treat nice guys as trash and dick heads as kings? With girls treating guys nice I mean answering their text, being polite and having the dignity to say they are not interested. Instead they just ghost you and just leave you out to dry. I talked to some female friends about this and they subscribe to what I said. Guys are much nicer towards girls in this regard. My theory is this: girls have more power because they chose, and nice guys who don't have power get treated as trash; there is no reason to treat nice guys with respect and dignity.

Pickup is like doing psychedelics. One transcends itself by speaking to others. We get to learn some lessons and afterwards it is important to integrate the lessons.

@Etherial Cat thank you for the recommendations. There is so much to do.

When will your pickup program come out?

@Tangerinedream I'm going to read her books and take psychedelics @ll Ontology ll I told myself I wouldn't approach anymore and I can't just help myself; I just approached. I got her number but I'm not proud. If she also flakes it will be another stab. I'm too fragile to date.

@ll Ontology ll I'm stopping with pickup and going to do some healing with Teal Swan. I really feel like not living right now after that girl sidetracked me. This is not healthy. Even if I wanted to continue with pickup I can't.

How Leo did it was by creating a brand around his name/persona. I don't know if Leo's business model will work in the Netherlands. It is important to tailor to people's needs and where they are at if you want to make a money making business. Perhaps start at stage orange and slowly move it up.