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Just be yourself when you approach, as a newby it is difficult to be authentic and being relatable (seductive) at the same time.

Verbal Game Todd V is crapppppp. High Vibe Julien is really 99999x the value. Fuck Todd V, that fucking useless gimicky robot.

Any update on this?

So I'm doing salsa dancing and I notice there are quite a few old ladies that want to learn and dance. They are like 10% of the scene out here. I feel so bad for them because they say they never get asked out for a dance out on the dance floor. Sometimes I take one for the team ask them out but then they get attached and want to dance with me all the time while I'm out there to dance with girls from my own age or younger. I mean women are generally never altruistic. They don't date below their status so to say. They never take one for the team and make a nerd/incel happy because they don't feel like it. So do you think these older women are right when complaining about guys not asking them out for a dance? I tell them to dance with their own age group but they are not of them. I have thought about this subject for two days and this is what I found out. It is just survival games. Women are ruthless when its comes to that so why shouldn't we men be the same? Some women try to guilt trip us with mind games but we shouldn't fall for that.

I'm intermediate so there is nothing I can learn from old women who are beginner. It is not fun so I'm not getting something out of it otherwise I would understand your point. You are right that there is something to learn and what I learned from this last interaction is that I have to stay true to my feelings and not be guilt trapped by women. Appreciated the last few insights

You already know the answer bro. Just pray to the gods.

Everything is the will of god. You don't need a video to explain that. Leo has some videos on determinism which already explain the topic of this thread.

People always say "just be yourself" but they never say how to be that. I think it means just to be true to one's feelings and emotions without the intention to hurt others as much as possible which will not always be the case. In other words, for guys, it is called the nice guy syndrome: not staying true to feelings and emotions and instead camouflaging it and bending over backwards to get praise.

Interesting insights. The reason I opened this thread was to explore that. For the child the collective is the family. Probably I have to look into my bad upbringing and how that influences me today. My mother was very easy to upset and I had to walk on egg shells all the time.

You think feelings never need to be justified?

Good for you. Personally I don't mind a little.

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This is a club that is specifically for young people so I had wish they would go to clubs for older people but unfortunately they don't. I'm trying to stay polite as much as I can. But now I also know how a hot girl feels. She doesn't want to fuck a sad depressive guy out of pity. She has to get something out of it too and the same counts for men who don't want older women. I feel zero guilt and they should respect my decision. I see what you did there, but I'm dancing for fun, not for altruistic spiritual motives. If a guy doesn't want to commit to a girl it simply means she doesn't have what it takes to be her girlfriend. I'm not saying females should become altruistic. I'm saying they are not altruistic so they shouldn't expect men to become altruistic and many do expect that.

So my gym buddy told me I don't have a good schedule/work-out routine (in a joking way), and I immediately try qualifying and explaining myself. Or if a girl says she can only go out on friday, I'm willing to reschedule immediately. And ..... tada.... the guilt tripping has started Each his own thing. No offense.

I'm also very reactive in conversations. I don't know if that is a product of codependency or something else. Charity is not charity if I have to force myself. Also when I give so much charity they get use to it and keep expecting it. I'm not there to entertain all the old ladies. What I range old is 40-60. Agreed. But they keep complaining about it instead of accepting it. Some women have a hard time accepting that men lose interests in females once the female get older. Obviously my issue is that I'm susceptible for guilt trip mind games. That is what I should be focusing on. What I range old is 40-60. Yea it is weird because she said she would be at a party where I'm going next month, and I could feel her neediness from me, so I felt weird, I tried to hide it to be polite but I thought I'm tired of hiding it lol.

I was this guy for a while to be honest. Yea, I need to work on codependency. It is not easy. There is this book called The Human Magnet syndrom which addresses it. I will read it when I have time.

Because it doesn’t give me joy. Are you female by chance? ? This is what I mean. Why should I sacrifice? I’m not going to dance out of strategy and pretend I like to dance with them so other girls can see that. It is painful and tiring to pretend. the bottom line is that men feel attracted to young beauty and females are attracted to other things.

After 4 month break I started with two programs Verbal game by Todd V Afterwards I will do: High vibe communication by Julien Yesterday I approached a girl at a bus stop without an agenda (or at least that was my attention), and a girl in the gym. And she and I got red faced. And this is what I noticed: being gamey is as much important as being neutral. With neutral I mean just neutral small talk but I get the feeling my thristy intentions are just shining through and I can't help it. I need to give myself some leeway though. This is an interesting concept from Todd V that helped me: Type of communication Plotline communication = emotional spikes, venue changes, escalation = doing part of game = weird if it is overdone (presure on, agenda) Baseline communication = standard normal filler small talk communication = boring if it is overdone (presure off, no agenda) Todd V says it is key to find a good balance between those two types of communication

It is obviously a question for the guys. I’m having trouble with the right eye contact. Staring a girl down is not good and creepy in a gym so what is the right approach? I caught myself trying to observe the girl without being caught and that is equally awkward.

Luckily I don't see them very often

So basically it is this: Just throw all logic out of the window and talk from emotion, get on her nerves but hope she is not a psycho. That is true. If she doesn't know you, she will always bet against you in her judgement

Today I started approaching again, after a break of 4 months. Slowly building up my game with some day game on the street without an outcome; just loose chatter with girls; all fun, games and laughter. In the gym I did my first approach of this year. The girl instantly blushed and was a little shy. Cute blonde girl. We chatted like 2-3 minutes and I started asking some logistics, and all was fine. I asked her name and we exchanged names and she cut me off and told me she had to continue training. So I'm not sure if she likes me or not. My brain tells me she doesn't like me because she cut me off (but she also blushed and acted feminine). So I'm not sure. I have been told not to make so many assumptions in my life so we will see what will happen next time I see her. In the gym I tread carefully because girls talk. lol.

I don't use 3 second rule where I come very often. I can't approach every girl in the gym since it would ruin my reputation. In the gym I prefer to use indirect subtle game and first find out if she has a bf or with who she is. In the gym I don't approach if I don't get eye contact but the thing is that doesn't happen very often. Perhaps I'm not attractive enough or perhaps girls are just busy with their workout routine and are not thirsty like me.

I will try it and hope I won’t be kicked out ☠️