WHO IS

But God destroys/kills his own creation, no?

But if there is no better or worse and all judgment/differentiation is illusion, then how could one "want the BEST for it"?

Then what drives them to do anything after the point of being aware of such a realization? If there is no one behind the steering wheel, what drives the car?

If they became aware of something, and then preach it to others as ultimately true, how right is it? Because we know, that people can have direct-experience which are not ultimately true. A guy on salvia, putting his hands into a shredder, because while he was on salvia for his POV the shredder was a river of immortality and putting his hands into would make him immortal (true story btw), did he have a direct awareness of this "truth" from his POV while he was high on Salvia? yes from his POV at that moment it was very true. However, that led him to lose both of hands. Reality did not care whatever he imagined/was aware of while he was on high on salvia. Thus from this example alone, we can deduct that individual POV experiences/awareness can be misleading.

When one becomes lucid in a dream, One can change the dream through one's own will. This should be possible if reality is God dreaming it. Jesus walking on water should be just scratching the surface so to speak.

Who are "they", if there is no-one? They are aware that they exist but they deny that.

Exactly, if they belived in what they are saying/telling others, they wouldn't care if they would get killed or not, because if as they say there is no "I", then there would be no "I/me" to care about the death of "I/me". But they still care, which shows that they themselves don't buy their own teachings to the full extent. Which is a big thought provoker.

If what they say is true, there should be "no-one" there to "go on a lower level to make these choices, they are aware of them basically."

If self-consciousness dies at the moment of physical death, then what's the point persuing enlightenment? To get the same answer that any other atheist already convinced of?

So we are comparing labels/names? Or different states of Being?

Thank you very much Meta-Man and Arlin for both of your perspectives and points of view. Hopefully, Truth will be clear for everybody.

Chosen a play where God is suffering? Is God a masochist?

Though, because we are conscious Beings ourselves, we can have our own will. If ones every action is to reflect what God would want, then it means Youll giving up your own will. Which means you are relinquishing your own Being. What would God want to see, other who copy him all the time, or others who have their own independent will and being?

Yes at this point it is just imagery distinction. But, still we experiencing THIS reality right Now. You can't think/imagine away that you are experiencing reality though the body of a human for example and that you need to feed it and give water to it or otherwise it would malfunction.

I did not assume that consciousness is a product of the brain, how could it be when the brain is imagined by consciousness? What I am staying is Consiousjessn imagines to be attached to the human body and thus limits itself to experiencing reality though the eyes/filters of a human. However, couldn't consciousness "imagine" to experience reality without being attached to a human? Better questions should be, can consiosunes anything? Then why cant we imagine to not being a human?

Yes, agree. However, if imagination is all there is and imagination IS reality, Then whatever is imagined is ver-very real, because there is no, not imagined things to begin with. If imagination=reality, then it is as real as it gets.

Friend, we can, of course, get to experience that we are God and believe to be so afterwards. But it still doesn't change that our consciousness resides and is attached to the homo-sapien bodies. And it is these homo-sapien bodies through which we experience the world around.

That is why everybody is who is Being is precious and worth of Love.

You know what interesting, people can go around thinking and speaking, but they are ignoring the fact that is right in front of their eyes and that is that they exist. It seems that people who cannot handle the reality of life and its pain, want to cope with trying to make themselves to believe that they themselves don't exist. They are relinquishing their own being, which is the biggest disfavor to themselves because their own Being is the most valuable thing. If they didn't exist they wouldn't even be here to discuss these things, to begin with.

If God loves all of his creation, and all of the infinite ways of realities, then why do we have the reality of earth and humans existence exactly as we do right now? What makes God imagine exactly this version of reality over the other versions, if there are infinite versions of how reality can be manifest.

Yet from all the possible ways of reality, God chooses to imagine/manifest exactly the one we have right now. And reality is a different thing for different people on earth, isn't it?

Yes, God completely accepts things... which He himself chose to imagine/manifest to be parts of reality, you see? If God didn't imagine/manifest diseases to be part of reality, He wouldn't need to accept as part of reality. You could, of course, say to me, He chooses to imagine it because He must imagine all possibilities because God is infinite. Then I could ask with the same logic, then why the same way God can't imagine/manifest that there are no diseases in reality and that humans don't age and can fly in the air for example? that's a possibility too, but God chooses one possibility over the other.

God=Love encompasses all of the things which God consciously chose to imagine and put inside reality to begin with. If God didn't choose to consciously imagine diseases to be part of reality to begin with, then God wouldn't need to accept diseases because it wouldn't even be part of reality. But God imagines the idea/thought of a disease, to accept and love it, because it is part of reality.

That is why to have any decent discussion , we need to make it clear what is "Love" to begin with. If You ask me, Love is when someone only wishes the Best for the himself and others, Love is when You are happy just because you see that the other you love is happy.

Leo, could you please explain ( as much as it is possible with human language/words), what is Love form Gods POV? Does it differ from the "love" that people usually talk about on earth? Because we might be using the same word : love, but we give different meanings to the same word. As I understand "Love" is when you wish and only do the Best and benefical things for the one you care/love. Thats what I would say the most wholesome way Love can be.