ColdFacts

That's exactly what mortals fear.

You have a point there i can't just dismiss what you are saying without any proof and you're quite open minded i must admit, but to be on the safe side i would have to know more about you, before i tell you things like that. Also what makes you sure i have any truth?

I totally would aim awakening if i owned the concept of it.

I can not handle you not handling it, and i can tell when i see someone who can handle it.

I have taken that into account, and it's the exact place after i die, it is not nothing it is not anything, it is a undefined state which can be anything or nothing, but i can't describe it in any way possible from the manifestation part or point of view which is the point between those two. Anything that you say about those beginning and endings can't be coming from something in between, you just don't know even not knowing is putting it in a box.

At this moment we are to another problem with religion and that is telling them things beyond a certain point. I could do that in a way that you can follow but that is a major problem, this is also the reason why books are in riddles and encrypted, basically you'd need to prove to me that you can handle that stuff otherwise i would be guilty or telling you something that is bad for you.

They really don't want to know that.

No that is not my point, the problem is that people hide the true reason/desires to themselves and others and exploit or change other things to make up for their weakness.

Well of course it is my desire to see it that way, physics doesn't deny what it can't prove and that is the case so far. I have no problem admitting that my desire and personal view is making claims and i have fine reasons for each of my desires for everyone to know.

It's not a paradox, because it is correct you just don't know. Obviously is bothers my view of reality, for me reality is ordered and fair at the very least, not something that plays along with the desires of humans. EDIT: i meant that religion is logical paradox. What you meant can't be correct because one is exists if the other doesnt

C'mon we are not playing the definitions game.

Both have long range when it comes to universal applying, if anything makes those two guys invalid then it must either be more universal(which i doubt) or completely subjective(which i think is the case), in either case i don't want that thing which makes exceptions to rules which it keeps for itself, from such a thing freedom does not arise.

Evidence and logic are not the same, i don't have to rely on physical evidence to make a logical conclusion, which i have made in the original post and added even more in my replies if you want to see.

It's way better that way, being honest about things, because when i see people here claiming they have found the truth, they just appear that they lost even the little that they had before finding it.

I'll write it in another way, regarding my original post here the unfulfilled desires are the only constant or the first cause if you trace everything from either god trying to be human or humans trying to be god(which is the actual case). What happens is that they are given desires and now they hold them as their own things, when they see that they can't afford those bad bois they just blame everything else and here we are.

It's the only constant or universal part in all those theories about god and reality.

I can already see comments like "there is no you or being human or trying to be god, there is no logic in that, or logic" and after they say that then they write a few line below "you are god and god is infinite *insert what is convenient for unfulfilled desires*" and add also the classic "you have work to do but you will make it" . Love this place.

If you don't like logic in this i really have no idea why not go to classic religions, maybe because you have no personal experiences from that but they basically view god in the same same way.

It's what is more universally accepted, because if things only work in some place and not others, some logic here but not there, then you should stick to classic religions why bother with this.

If you don't use logic only personal experience and personal feelings then whatever you say about god has absolutely no difference(actually worse) than classic religion.

We are going off topic, but as i was commenting with the other person being a half god , exactly a half god is what makes sense everything else appears like a bad failure.

See that's selfish thinking, assuming that also god has given such a solution to everyone else and that is just wrong.

Now we are talking, but no you're not all god same reason could apply to being human, but if we are exactly half god then it makes sense.

As i said this to the other person above, there are people who thinking and dying thinking they were only human and this is just one of many more reasons why this is wrong.

This is a very personal way of seeing this situation and will never apply to almost anyone else.