Apparition of Jack

How is it the left’s fault that the shooter turned out to be a Nick Fuentes groyper? Charlie was killed for not being right-wing ENOUGH, not for being too right-wing. EDIT: Remember when a groyper tried to kill Trump in 2024? Or groypers attacked the Capitol and got nine people killed? Or when groypers killed a protestor in Charlottesville? Or when a groyper killed dozens of innocent mosque worshippers in Christchurch? Nazism, by definition, is the lethal implementation of white supremacy. That’s why they committed the Holocaust. That’s why they kill political opponents and minorities today. It’s a death cult in its psychology to the core. It’s demon worship in its most obvious and vile essence.

I fucking told you Leo. I warned you of the threat of the extreme right and you brushed me off as “not being committed to the truth.” Well “the truth” just shot Charlie Kirk through the jugular for not being hateful to Jews and blacks enough. Fascism is an ideological cancer. It’s pure brainrot. It’s a suicide cult, and a pure corrosive force on democratic politics. There is no “debating” or “reasoning” your way out of it. You kill it in its crib, because otherwise things like this happen. And Trump has coddled them the entire time. When I say “Trump is a fascist”, it’s because he’s a fascist - he courts the Nick Fuentes and Stephen Millers and Steve Bannons of the world to hold onto power. It doesn’t matter if he, personally, doesn’t hate black people as much as they do. The fact that hes willing to use them in the first place is enough to prove he’s compromised. He has to go.

I’ve seen this picture but I don’t know if it’s real or not, if so it’s terrible news for the MAGA movement

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-death-09-12-25 Seems the killer has been caught. Now we just have to wait and see if he was some radical leftist or not, but that seems increasingly unlikely. All the right-wingers calling for the government to crackdown on leftists are going to look awfully embarrassed if it turns out he killed Charlie for NOT being sexist / racist / antisemtic enough.

I feel really bad for Charlie now, actually. Nowhere close to being a saint but he was still a human with a family, a life ahead of him, etc. Perhaps one day he wouldve matured and held a more healthy worldview. I hope the killer is found and brought to justice.

My gut tells me it was a neo-Nazi / rabid QAnon groyper who wanted to make a statement against being the “wrong” kind of right-winger. I could be wrong but when he gets captured we’ll get more to the story.

https://x.com/robertdownen_/status/1965923536348053614?s=46 ^ This is a good thread. So it’s looking more and more like the shooter was a disgruntled Nazi (as in, an actual antisemetic, nationalist Nazi) who shot Charlie for being “too soft on Jews” or “not pro-white” enough or any other countless unhinged Nazi talking points. This attack has all the hallmarks of it - accurate shot from long distance (something only gun nuts can pull off), a well-planned escape, a publicised method to cause as much fear and chaos as possible (similar to the anti-Muslim Christchurch shooting), etc. If this turns out to be true, it would be a twisted irony that it was a right-winger who killed Kirk, considering Kirk often justified his college debates by saying he preferred political debate to political violence. The fact that someone from “his” own side - most likely some radical pro-Trump groyper - proves that even if you think you can be “civil” about promoting hatred, you will eventually create monsters that will come back to bite you in the ass. Nazism is a cancer. Nazism is so dangerous that it even gets “normal” right-wing nationalists killed. And Trump supported all of these people. He let Nazis storm the Capitol on Jan 6th. This is why any sort of hatred, no matter how “moderate” or “civil” it is, can never be accepted. Because it can come back to kill even the people who thought they could keep it in check. Nazism must be destroyed. EDIT: Shit, who’s to say it wasn’t some crazy wing it who killed Charlie for saying he “didn’t care about the Epstein files?” Kirk come out with a much-derided video saying that he “Trusts his friends in the Trump administration.” Jesus Christ that would be even crazier

There is some truly twisted within the current American mind. A toxic mix of extreme entitlement, national chauvinism, a lack of any real geopolitical rivals, a history of slavery and oppression that hasnt been fully dealt with yet, a destructive aversion to any sort of public funding as “communism”, an extreme lack of accountability surrounding their part in the destruction of other nations (Iraq War e.g.), and a culture built off aggressive “winner-takes-all” main character materialistic bullshit has lead to a nation fundamentally unable to reform itself when it needs to to prevent mass poverty / polarisation / violence / etc. America needs a massive dose of humility, and they need it now. They can’t keep “destroying” all their political / social / economic enemies and thinking this will lead to a sane, tolerant, peaceful society. Americans need to understand that they’re not the only ones of this planet, that other countries actually DO do certain things better, and that just bombing / murdering / rioting / scheming their way to power won’t fix anything. They’re like a schoolyard bully high on meth.

I don’t know if it’s been posted yet but this is a photo of the (alleged) shooter. If it is then he doesn’t strike me as some radical trans activist to me. This just makes MAGA look even more unhinged. If the shooter was a right-winger then it’s further proof the MAGA movement is an insane death cult that doesn’t even protect its own members. Even more reasons for it to be destroyed.

Hmm. Well I guess my next question is was it someone from the left or the right. Either someone from the left (rightfully) pissed off a Charlie’s hateful, sexist, racist rhetoric but who took it to an extreme degree, or a disgruntled right-wing fan angry thar Charlie wasnt “Nazi enough” or something. I hate to say it I really hope it’s not the first one. The fact that most political violence comes from right-wing nutjobs wouldn’t matter to MAGA if it was a left-winger who shot him. They’re a fascist movement and will use it as an excuse to become as maximum unhinged and oppressive as possible. If it instead turns out to be someone on the right, MAGA will still try and twist and deny it but at least the public opinion wouldn’t be on their side and could actually make their movement look even worse. I fucking despise that this is where we’re at as a society the strength of democracy lives or dies based off the actions of a few violent radicals, but here we are. Just a very stupid and traumatising age. I hope one day people come to their senses and all this bullshit blows over.

My question is, why Charlie? As far as right-wing pundits go hes one of the more “tame” and civil-minded (at least when compared to someone like say, Alex Jones or Nick Fuentes.) Who could’ve possibly had beef with him to point of staging a targetted assassination at a crowded event? This wasn’t some “Internet personality gets harassed at home” thing, nor was it even “Internet personality shot during heated incident”, this was a planned, professional assassination to cause as much chaos and visibility as possible. Something doesn’t add up. If it was a disgruntled fan, what could Charlie have said to piss them off so much, to the point of killing him from 200 yards away in front of thousands of people? If it was someone else, then what did he do to make himself such a big target? Very strange indeed.

Being human is complicated.

Life is fleeting. Cherish what time you have on this earth.

I wonder if Hitler had similar thoughts in 1945

Stay safe Americans. You’re not alone in these troubling times.

Death comes for us all. If nothing else, this is a strong memento mori for all of us.

I understand not wanting to call yourself a Marxist-Leninist or whatever, as you say history tells us that out of control communism never ends well, but at the same time, don’t you think the pendulum has swung too far in favour of laissez-faire capitalism? The welfare state came about as a result of both the unregulated capitalism of the Great Depression and collective experiences of WW2, for instance. Likewise, today’s economic situation of massive wealth inequality and poor worker’s rights is much the result of the neoliberalism pushed by Reagan and Thatcher in the 1980s. There’s also the fact that technology has just in general become far more productive over the last 50 years and we now have the machines, computers etc to adequately give everyone a decent basic standard of living. Even something like car production has become absurdly more productive since the 1970s, so the idea of guaranteeing everyone a car wouldn’t be completely out of the realm of possibility, for instance. That’s why I’m a supporter of people like Bernie, AOC, Mamdani, etc. If you sat them down and asked would there be a place for private enterprise in their ideal future, I think they would truthfully say yes; the idea of Stalinist-style collectivisation seems to be a thing of the past. But we absolutely still can do things like tackle social media corruption, white collar crime, the two-tiered justice system, a severe lack of housing, education, healthcare, etc without turning into radical Stalinists or whatever. The problem is too many elites are too greedy and simply refuse to admit that their wealth is built off the back of millions of workers, often at the expense of those worker’s well-being. There’s no reason why, in 2025, with all the absurd amount of technology we have, a barista or office administrator should never be able to buy a home, repay their education loans, get medical needs fixed without bankrupting them, etc. The social contract states that if people contribute to a society, that society should look after them, not instead try and extract as much wealth from them as possible and leave them with nothing. That’s how you get the French Revolution.

Post-War Europe was basically an equal mix of socialism and capitalism. By which I mean, trade unions, workers, actual communists, etc had immense influence over the government and pushed to create the modern welfare state we know today, which has created some of the most stable and equitable societies on the planet. The public health systems in these countries that America lacks is in large part a result of this movement, for instance. The problem is America is far too embedded in the unrepentant materialism brainrot. Americans genuinely think owning a yacht, owning a Maserati and popping pills your entire life to stave off existential angst is the height of human existence, and will fuck over their fellow countrymen to get there. It completely eludes them that social cohesion, well-being, public health, community spirit etc are their own goods, which is what the countries of Europe, Japan, Canada etc have known for decades.

What about porn about climate change? Like an adult film about two people stuck on a mountain because the coast is flooded who decide to bang because there’s nothing else to do

Without getting into the ethics of it all, I feel like this isn’t really all that surprising in the first place? Take David Pakman for example. While I broadly agreed with his worldview, I always felt his videos were kind of “safe” and corporatised, if that makes sense. Like he was coordinating with people beyond just a handful of independent online leftists. The fact that he is taking money from the Dems seems kinda self-evident all things considered. I really don’t see the problem with it so long as his messages are still reasonable and grounded.

Yeah, just like we’re all gonna get those $5000 DOGE checks any day now, right?

@Emerald Elon Musk net worth: $413 billion Mark Zuckerberg: $270 billion Peter Thiel: $25.6 billion Donald Trump: $7 billion Tucker Carlson: ~$420 million-$2 billion Joe Rogan: $200 million Ben Shapiro: $50 million etc etc. As always, follow the money.

Release the Epstein files.

Discussions like these make clear to me that absolutely no one has any goddamn idea what direction the world is heading (myself included) and any “educated guesses” are no more accurate than throwing darts at a board and seeing where they land, lmao. Things are wayy to influx. I say just enjoy the ride.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/07/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-client-list-trump-administration This is pretty freaking funny ngl. Seeing MAGA conspiracy freaks twist themselves into knots finding reasons why their god-saviour Trump wouldn’t release the same list he’s obviously on is fantastic.