Apparition of Jack

Does that really matter? This is Hollywood-tier politics. Politics shouldn’t be about who makes the best jokes. It should be about who has the best policies and most reasonable vision for the future.

Yep. Immigration has never been the issue. Someone in another thread even posted something about how many times Democrats tried to pass meaningful immigration reform (allowing it both easier to migrate whilst also giving the border forces more power), but Republicans opposed them every time because they weren’t Gestapo enough for their tastes (paradoxically making it both harder to integrate AND easier to illegally migrate due to lack of sensible border enforcement.) Maybe it is just a case of change being inevitable, and people not being able to accept it. America’s cultural demographics were always going to shift over time, the only question was whether it was going to be done sensibly in a way that benefits all people (including white Americans), or if it was going to be done violently and in way that tears everyone down. America had multiple chances to take the sane option but they chose the jackboot instead 🤷🏽‍♂️ EDIT: Now that I think about it, the Biden administration was the last chance for white America to create a positive vision of the future that it ultimately rejected. Biden was a white guy yes, but his VP was black, but more importantly his policies were sane, sensible, well-funded and benefitted everyone, white and non-white alike. He invested in infrastructure, education, made healthcare more affordable, and so on. He was progressive but not an irrational wokist, and had a strong religious sensibility about him so even believers could’ve felt assured under him. He was firm on the international stage but wasn’t cruel. Americans didn’t know how good they had it under Biden. In 10 years time they’ll be sorry that they chose Little Donny over him

I mean, America’s empire could’ve lasted longer if it did things like meaningful immigration reform (allowing people to culturally and economically integrate), invested in its own population (through education, infrastructure and healthcare) and taking a more hardline approach to corporate greed and lobbying (allowing it to retain the civil institutions needed to combat cultural decay.) Hell, I would even argue on a purely trade-based level prior to Trump America was doing just fine. In fact in general America has been in a fucking fantastic economic position for decades, it’s just that that wealth hasnt been distributed justly. The problem simply came from arrogance, narcissism and even a hint of collective delusion. Obama being elected president was the logical conclusion to America’s promise of freedom and democracy, but too many people couldn’t accept this. Kamala again wouldve been another fantastic president (maybe not world-shattering but certainly effective enough for the needs of the people), but again collective narcissism and delusion got in the way. I mean, if I’m being honest, America’s position on the world stage was so utterly assured prior to Trump that it could’ve effectively remained the world hegemon indefinitely. There was absolutely no need for any of this to happen, had America just made a few key policy reforms (healthcare, ending Citizen’s United, immigration reform). But they didn’t make those reforms, and now it’s too late I guess, lol. What comes next is anyone’s guess. China will probably cement itself as a world leader, though probably not uncontested superpower. America will either continue to struggle or get its shit together and finally move out of toxic Orange. Whatever the case, it’s the American’s themselves who made this bed, so it’s up to them to sleep in it.

@Husseinisdoingfine The difference between Russia/Belarus and America/Mexico is that the economic and power imbalance between the two is much smaller. I understand Belarus used to be part of the USSR, but I can’t imagine Russia exploited it as deeply as America did to Mexico over the centuries. Just think about something like NAFTA. Half of all cars in America are made in Mexico due to NAFTA, and it’s the reason Americans pay $20,000 for a compact instead of $60,000. Again, this makes your average American much more wealthy than they would be otherwise. The problem is, the only reason these cars from Mexico aes so cheap is that Mexico lacks the safety standards, high wages, social services etc of America, allowing them to be made much cheaper. As I’ve said I wouldn’t go so far as to say all trade is exploitative, but it certainly can lean in that direction when America has so much leverage out of Mexico to get what it wants. So Mexico, through its cheap labour, it’s providing immeasurable wealth to America, but when Mexicans want to enjoy some of that wealth too, they’re told to “go home.” Again, my problem isn’t with the idea of border enforcement in general, my problem is with the absurd power differential America has over the rest of the world that it refuses to acknowledge. If America was just some generic bumfuck middle income economy complaining about mass migration, I would see the argument a bit more. But it’s not. It’s the wealthiest civilisation in human history, by an almost absurd degree. That wealth comes from somewhere, but America refuses to acknowledge this.

I agree. But what MAGA misses is that the only reason they’re losing this influence is because of their own actions / power. America has used its vast financial and military apparatus to enrich itself at the expense of others. Of course, this is a slight exaggeration, and not all trade is bad, but on the whole they’ve benefitted far more from their powerful international setup than they’ve lost. MAGA doesn’t realise that the only reason it’s the most powerful country on Earth is because it has the military, diplomats, corporations and cultural influence to cajole other countries into giving them the most favourable trade terms available. This means things like getting African minerals, Brazilian fruit, and European white goods for pennies on the dollar that may have been more economically beneficial to those countries had America paid full price. But again, because of America’s immense leverage, they were willing to make these deals with America for a whole number of reasons. So all the wealth of the world flows into America (rather than staying in those local countries), making Americans some of the richest, most luxurious people on earth. But when some of the people from those countries want to move to America to enjoy some of the prosperity America gets from them - suddenly it’s a bridge too far. Suddenly it’s an “invasion.” An “insurrection.” It’s “white genocide” or a “great replacement.” MAGA wants to keep all the spoils of the world, without caring about the communities those spoils come from. If America wanted to prevent huge demographic shift, it would've allocated like 20% of its budget to foreign development (instead of military research pope dreams or corporate subsidies), but it didn’t do that. It would’ve helped Mexico, the Caribbean, the Congo, Portugal, the Philippines etc get on their feet, as a small gesture of gratitude for helping make them rich. But again, they didn’t do that. All they did was build more vanity projects and useless financial speculation instead, leaving not only other nations but their own citizens poorer instead. And now when economics is balancing itself and people from those poor countries that made America rich are now coming to America itself, it’s a bridge too far. I’ve rambled a lot lately so I think I’ll just leave it at that, but you get my point. Wealth doesn’t exist in a vacuum. If you’re wealthy, great! But don’t forget where that wealth comes from. Otherwise the people who made you rich will come knocking on your door asking for food and shelter, and you’ll be too stupid to understand why.

The thing is though she’s not even from another culture. Kamala is American through and through. I mean, she was even a state prosecutor, how much more American can you get? The problem was too many voters refused to see this. They say an American-born politician with unequivocal loyalty to the US as being an “other”, when she clearly wasnt. She had plans to improve their lives, help the economy, and crack down on corporate greed, but they were too blinded by racism and selfishness that they voted for the rapist conman instead. Americans have never just been white, but white Americans have refused to see this. And now because of this they’ve unleashed a monster who’s ruining the Republic that gave them rights in the first place. It’s probably the biggest self-own in history.

@kbone Bingo. It’s just Republican white supremacy all the way down. They made legal immigration too hard for people wanting to share in some of the wealth America gets from the world, and now they’re paying the price.

So, for those wanting to know why I find the idea of America enforcing its borders at the point of a gun so abhorrent, I’ll explain. Take this with a grain of salt because this is just my unfalsifiable intuition, but basically I strongly believe the last election was something of a nation-wide spiritual test for America to see if it could choose truth over lies, and ultimately it chose lies. America, had it been a sane and grounded entity, could’ve voted for the black lady promising housing rebates, loan forgiveness and corporate crackdowns, but instead it unironically chose pedophilia, oligarchal dominance and nightmarish security state overreach. It had one last chance to prove to the universe that it as a sovereign entity had legitimacy for its own existence, but ultimately it failed that chance spectacularly. I mean, if it were being utterly, absolutely honest with itself, it would admit that it voted for Trump again just because it didn’t want another “n***** running the White House”, but of course it will delude itself into thinking it voted against “Cultural Marxism, communism, Islamism” and whatever other buzzword bullshit it uses to justify its hate. Again, these are just my own personal intuitions and ramblings. Feel free to call me some misguided leftist all you want, I don’t care. But I truly believe the American state has in some sense lost all claims to moral and cultural legitimacy, and will now wrestle with that moving forward. You might not like to hear this, but that culture is now effectively moving into a “post-America” era. What the US once thought of itself was is now dead and buried, murdered in November 2024 and now making way for something else to be born. What this means, in practice, is that white people will now have to get used to black and brown people being as fundamentally American as they are, from now until the rest of time. That means black CEOs, black presidents, brown senators, brown military generals, and so on. Of course, a lot of white Americans will hate this, but so what? Like I said they had their chance to maintain some cultural legitimacy in 2024, but they blew it. White supremacy is dead and the multi-racial civilisation is now the future.

Just because your average dipshit Trump voter complaining about Spanish on government forms doesn’t understand how he benefits from a worldwide system of extraction and oppression, doesn’t mean he’s immune to the consequences of that system when they come back to bite him in the ass. Just as @BlueOak points out, America had ample time to level the playing field, to use some of the massive wealth it got from other nations to re-invest in those nations and make a more stable world, but it didn’t. Instead it chose fascism, ethno-nationalism and even more corporate greed instead. I keep saying this but nature abhors an imbalance. America can only exploit other nations for so long before some of those nations want a piece of the pie. If it doesn’t want foreigners coming to its borders, it should invest in those countries instead, not shut them down and threaten to bomb them. You can’t have both, and trying to do so will cause you to lose your mind. EDIT: Empire-building is a trade-off. You sacrifice either wealth, or global influence, or cultural homogeneity depending on your goals, but you can’t have all three. America is trying to have all three, and it’s losing the plot as a result. America is like if Italians in the Roman Empire were complaining about all the Egyptians and Galls moving to Rome. Pure geopolitical blindness and economic insanity.

White America has become a parasitic entity on the planet. It’s refusal to deal with its history of slavery, oppression and death whilst maintaining its innounce has led it to some of the worst case of collective psychosis since WW2. Chucklefucks like Stephen Miller think White America is entitled to the world’s resources while giving nothing in return. It’s one thing to talk about regular human nationalism, it’s another to defend some of the most brazen forms of hypocrisy on the planet. White America uses the threat of nuclear annihilation to do what it wants with impunity on the world scale. You keep talking about power Leo, do you not understand how many times white nationalists in the White House have fantasised about nuking the Middle East or Mexico or wherever? White America have become a bunch of gutless, chickenshit cowards who think they can hide behind their bombs and absurd levels of wealth to do whatever the fuck they want, consequences be damned. Unfortunately for them, reality doesn’t work that way. EDIT: If you want to understand the deep pathology of White America, listen to this song:

Yes good point. Taking a principled non-violent stance would make the Trump administration look much worse too. The more we can stand up for what we believe in despite the threats of opposition, the better we’ll look to everyone. People love an underdog after all

But that progress is built off gruelling, often risky work. Civil Rights didn’t just happen. The abolition of slavery didn’t just happen. These things had to be fought for, by millions of people, against the powers that be that benefited from the corrupt status quo. Honestly, I’m not even saying become a revolutionary. I think old Marxist ideas are completely out of date. I’m not even sure if violence is necessary. But what is necessary is a degree of courage, selflessness and principled action most of us have just kind of forgotten about. We got to use to our cushy lives that the idea we could have a positive impact became alien to us. Calling out violence, racism and fascism isn’t a huge ask. Calling your local representatives, reaching out to vulnerable people, supporting holistic political causes isn’t a big ask. In fact, for living in some of the most prosperous societies on the planet, it’s probably the least you could do. And of course, if you’re up for it, attend protests. Be disciplined and non-violent, but resist government tyranny all the same. I’d like to point out that literally no one has died in these protests so far (compared to the Jan 6th insurrection, which led to multiple deaths.) Taking direct political action isn’t even some radical political idea - it was how America was founded. I don’t understand how all of this isn’t self-evident. If you’re a conservative for whatever reason this won’t appeal to you, but then I’d say… conservatism has failed in bettering the lives of people. All it provides is defense of greed, hatred and wilful ignorance. There are some good conservative ideas but they died as a legitimate political force in 2016 when Republicans decided Trump would make a good president. Why not be a force for good, in whatever capacity you can? Whether that’s as an activist, a community organiser, a politician, or even just someone who checks in on their neighbours? How tf is that so frightening? Lmao. Talk about a “male loneliness epidemic” 🤣 And always remember, we can and we will win. It’s written in the stars. The question isn’t a matter of if, but how. Will it come after 15 years, with constant relentless bullshit from fascist MAGA in the meantime? Or will it come much sooner than that, if only we work for it?

You know what I think it is? What it really just comes down to? We’re all afraid of being killed. That’s it. We’ve gotten so use to political stability and reasonable (enough) governance thar the idea that this things could fail and the institutions that should protect us instead could turn against us frightens the begeezus out of us. Which… of course it does. That’s scary as fuck. But… that’s where we are anyway. People could die. Well-meaning, sensible people could die. None of us chose this. Many of us chose to fight against this. But it found us all the same. Look, I don’t want to die more than anyone else. I enjoy my life here on earth and want to make the most of it. And I’m certainly not going to needlessly go out and provoke violence. But paradoxically sometimes the best way to protect yourself is to protect others first. “First they came for the unionists” and all that. If anyone here has a sense of faith or their higher power/self I feel like it’s time to put your trust in that. Learn to accept every day as it comes and believe in the fundamental goodness of humanity, no matter what happens. We’re eventually going to die anyway, why not at least try to uphold what you truly believe while you’re here? What’s the alternative? Just roll over and let fascism win? Let millions of people be oppressed, hurt, imprisoned, shot and killed while we do nothing? Especially if we had the chance to stop it? Why would anyone accept that? Is life with a jackboot over your neck really a life? You could argue that at least you’d be alive, but to what end? Just so you can get high / jerk off / slave away at a job in private? And especially when there’s a chance for a better future for everyone? Why content yourself with misery? Don’t any of you believe this world could be better? Freer, kinder, more creative, more uplifting? Are we just meant to be slaves for faceless corporations and vile political ideologies our entire lives? Is that all that it means to be human? Or is there the chance of something more? Something truer, more meaningful, more wholesome, more enlightening? Why not take that chance? Why waste the only life you’ve got pretending this is all you’re good for? We can actually do this, actually. It’s not impossible to build a better world. In 1939 everyone thought the Nazis would rule. A few years later Hitler was dead and democracy reigned triumphant. Why not follow in the steps of our forefathers? Why not believe in the world that’s already given us so much? We aren’t an evil species, and I’ll believe that until the day I die. Why give up?

I’m not saying other races don’t have problems. Clearly Latino, African etc countries are struggling. But I am saying that as a collective entity, white Americans holds far more power than all these other nations combined, and so if they choose division and chaos, they have a much greater chance to make this a reality. With power comes responsibility and all that, which is something I feel like a lot of white people have unfortunately forgotten.

I mean, call it intuition if you will. And yes, I do actually. Part of my goal is to bridge gaps between everyone, including people I vehemently disagree with. It’s just that sometimes you have to make a stand to defend the things you truly believe in. If someone from the right wishes to join me in fighting for freedom and democracy, I’m all ears.

That’s the problem though- it’s not that they won’t use those tactics, it’s just that (so far) it’s been too politically costly to do so. If Trump thought he cold maintain power forever by shooting a bunch of peaceful protestors, he would do so in an instant. We can’t let it get that bad. That’s the whole point of resistance - to make fascism so politically costly that it ends up defeating itself. Trump’s first term was largely reigned in by capable people putting a check on his worst impulses; this second time we don’t have that luxury. We genuinely have to fight like our lives depend on it because they may very well will. We can’t repeat the mistakes of the past. We have to show the world humanity is better than that, and that there is hope for all of us. We have to defeat fascism.

Leo is full of shit. A deeply confused man. A man who openly talks about the corruption of the Trump administration but then defend’s Trump’s illegal policies. A man who talks about the need for growth, love and consciousness but then stays in the same outdated thought-patterns he has for years. A man who talks about the need to question your biases then refuses to do so himself. I think he’s just scared at heart. A man unable to completely accept the collective reality he lives in and would much rather believe the comforting lie that he’s above it all. I don’t even hate the guy. I just wish he found the courage to admit his own weaknesses. EDIT: The worst part is, Leo would be an unmitigated force for good if he just put his ego aside and took to the sacred work of resisting tyranny and protecting humanity and democracy. His race, insight, wealth, connections, manner of speech and utterly impeccable epistemic foundation would be like a tidal wave of light and truth against all the endless, vile, racist, selfish grifter bullshit infecting the manosphere these days and politics at large. He would be nigh-untouchable to all the masses of confused white men unable to claw themselves out of epistemic and emotional poverty. If he committed to human activism, he could genuinely change the world, but he doesn’t. His heart is too full of doubt.

Just because they’re not openly advocating for the extermination of Latinos or whatever (although go on Twitter and you’ll see countless accounts expressing that exact sentiment), doesn’t mean their worldview isn’t fundamentally baked in anti-human white supremacy. A Nazi who “only” wants to deport every black and brown person from America regardless of the human cost is still a Nazi, they don’t need the death camps and swastika logos to prove this. A radical Islamist who calls for the death of the West and the final victory of Islam is still a radical Islamist, even if they don’t openly try to suicide bomb people (but then again they probably have obvious connections to groups who do.) It’s a sinister game of deflect and deny and I’m honestly tired of pretending that illegal mass ethnic deportations are “ok” just because the people doing so aren’t also waging war on Poland or whatever.

Maybe the US is broke. I don’t know. But a lot of that is just due to mismanagement of resources rather than an actual lack of financial / material capacity. If America can find the money to spend over a $1 Trillion of its Army, couldn’t it use that even just a fraction of that money investing in infrastructure, healthcare, etc? It would be one thing if America had an equitable tax system and it was broke, it’s another thing entirely when most of the wealth is being funnelled to the top and yet it still refuses to fix its most glaring issues. We can’t keep exempting taxes our way to prosperity, especially for the massive, unaccountable corporations that, like you say, are only focused on quarterly profits and not long-term nation building. EDIT: America should’ve spend the last 40 years heavily investing in education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc if it wanted to avoid social collapse. Instead we got the complete opposite, with less and less civic funding and more and more control to corporations who couldn’t give less of a fuck about the health, fertility or stability of the people in their society. It’s a spiritual sickness at its core; a delirious belief that profit alone will save us from death and that collective cooperation and nation building are… evil? Idk. It’s straight up Anti-Christ shit.

I don’t know, whatever I can? Resist? Organise? Get involved in anti-fascist and pro-democracy groups? Look out for my non-white friends? I’m just one guy, I can’t solve this alone. But I do know for there to be any justice on this earth Trump’s Nazi bullshit and his den of pigs need to be brought down for good. I don’t know the answer but I’m not going to stand by on the sidelines in the meantime.

Stephen Miller is a white nationalist using federal forces to illegally expel integrated Hispanic people from the country. There’s no other explanation for this other than he’s a Nazi who wants to promote white people at the expense of all other races.

If it walks like a Nazi, and quacks like a Nazi, it’s probably a Nazi.

You’re a Nazi apologist. It’s so obvious that you are but you’d rather die than ever admit this to yourself. Trump and his cabinet are unequivocally Nazis. Stop trying to go to bat for them. It’s pathetic.

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails/

Exactly this. Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, Elon Musk, etc are legitimately all outright Nazis. As in, they have well-documented ties to neo-Nazi groups or have openly made statements favouring white supremacy. Neo-Nazis attacked the White House. Trump told the Proud Boys to “stand by.” MAGA is literally a Nazi movement. This isn’t controversial to say. The Shadow of Hitler still haunts the minds of selfish white Americans everywhere.