Apparition of Jack

I’m not a doomer. I think the world can heal. But not if it’s not being honest about where it’s currently at. Neo-Nazism has gone unchallenged for too long and we’re all witnessing its corrosive effects. It’s time we end it once and for all and build a truly democratic world.

Alt-right has engaged in violence. See: Charlottesville, Christchurch, Jan 6th.

Alt-right means Nazi.

Doesn’t matter. Nazis are opportunists who will say and do whatever they can to get into power, before turning on the people who supported them. Hitler allied himself with certain anti-capitalist types because anti-capitalism was popular in the 1930s before turning on them and killing then all (Night of the Long Knives.) Please try and understand what you’re up against.

You think being one of the “good conservatives” will save you? Charlie Kirk thought the same. Nazis came for him all the same. Stop being a useful fool for fascists and actually respect the danger these people represent to America and democracy at large.

Ffs stop defending Nazis. Elon Musk supports the AfD (a neo-Nazi political party literally caught holding Nazis rallies.) He uses Groyper memes (using Pepe the Frog avatars.) He literally goes on /pol/. HE DID A NAZI SALUTE. Elon Musk is a Nazi.

Steve Bannon is a Nazi.

He did a Nazi salute dude I don’t know what else to say.

No, they absolutely are. Bannon and Musk did Nazi salutes on stage. Carlson routinely spreads the Nazi “great replacement” lie. Please stop giving these people the time of day. The evidence is right in front of you. They want a world for white people (and a very specific type of white person at that) and white people only. We can’t let their putrid hatred fester any longer.

Yep. So is Steve Bannon, Richard Spencer, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk. We are literally run by Nazis. Not hyperbole.

Most likely he’s trying to cover his tracks. Trying to distance himself from the very real hate he fomented and to avoid the very obvious criminal investigations coming his way.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/22/jan-6-committee-releases-full-final-report-on-capitol-attack-00075380 https://www.adl.org/resources/article/extremists-face-arrests-uncertain-future-following-january-6-insurrection These aren’t allegations, these are documented facts. The “QAnon Shaman” (remember him?) held groyper ideology. Use your eyes, bro. Radical Nazis have infiltrated the highest levels of our society.

They’re named after a Pepe the Frog variant called “Groyper.” They’re extremely embedded in the hyper-ironic internet “meme war” bullshit that has been floating around since at least GamerGate. It’s a tactic to both make their movement more palatable to disaffected young people and deflect from criticisms for being genocidal Nazis through layers of insincere irony (“my Pepe the Frog meme in Nazi garb crushing a Jewish person isn’t a call to antisemtic violence, it’s just an edgy joke!”) Edit: The Wikipedia article on them is pretty good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers Edit #2: Even more damning evidence against Nick Fuentes and the groypers.

How is it the left’s fault that the shooter turned out to be a Nick Fuentes groyper? Charlie was killed for not being right-wing ENOUGH, not for being too right-wing. EDIT: Remember when a groyper tried to kill Trump in 2024? Or groypers attacked the Capitol and got nine people killed? Or when groypers killed a protestor in Charlottesville? Or when a groyper killed dozens of innocent mosque worshippers in Christchurch? Nazism, by definition, is the lethal implementation of white supremacy. That’s why they committed the Holocaust. That’s why they kill political opponents and minorities today. It’s a death cult in its psychology to the core. It’s demon worship in its most obvious and vile essence.

I fucking told you Leo. I warned you of the threat of the extreme right and you brushed me off as “not being committed to the truth.” Well “the truth” just shot Charlie Kirk through the jugular for not being hateful to Jews and blacks enough. Fascism is an ideological cancer. It’s pure brainrot. It’s a suicide cult, and a pure corrosive force on democratic politics. There is no “debating” or “reasoning” your way out of it. You kill it in its crib, because otherwise things like this happen. And Trump has coddled them the entire time. When I say “Trump is a fascist”, it’s because he’s a fascist - he courts the Nick Fuentes and Stephen Millers and Steve Bannons of the world to hold onto power. It doesn’t matter if he, personally, doesn’t hate black people as much as they do. The fact that hes willing to use them in the first place is enough to prove he’s compromised. He has to go.

I’ve seen this picture but I don’t know if it’s real or not, if so it’s terrible news for the MAGA movement

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-death-09-12-25 Seems the killer has been caught. Now we just have to wait and see if he was some radical leftist or not, but that seems increasingly unlikely. All the right-wingers calling for the government to crackdown on leftists are going to look awfully embarrassed if it turns out he killed Charlie for NOT being sexist / racist / antisemtic enough.

I feel really bad for Charlie now, actually. Nowhere close to being a saint but he was still a human with a family, a life ahead of him, etc. Perhaps one day he wouldve matured and held a more healthy worldview. I hope the killer is found and brought to justice.

My gut tells me it was a neo-Nazi / rabid QAnon groyper who wanted to make a statement against being the “wrong” kind of right-winger. I could be wrong but when he gets captured we’ll get more to the story.

https://x.com/robertdownen_/status/1965923536348053614?s=46 ^ This is a good thread. So it’s looking more and more like the shooter was a disgruntled Nazi (as in, an actual antisemetic, nationalist Nazi) who shot Charlie for being “too soft on Jews” or “not pro-white” enough or any other countless unhinged Nazi talking points. This attack has all the hallmarks of it - accurate shot from long distance (something only gun nuts can pull off), a well-planned escape, a publicised method to cause as much fear and chaos as possible (similar to the anti-Muslim Christchurch shooting), etc. If this turns out to be true, it would be a twisted irony that it was a right-winger who killed Kirk, considering Kirk often justified his college debates by saying he preferred political debate to political violence. The fact that someone from “his” own side - most likely some radical pro-Trump groyper - proves that even if you think you can be “civil” about promoting hatred, you will eventually create monsters that will come back to bite you in the ass. Nazism is a cancer. Nazism is so dangerous that it even gets “normal” right-wing nationalists killed. And Trump supported all of these people. He let Nazis storm the Capitol on Jan 6th. This is why any sort of hatred, no matter how “moderate” or “civil” it is, can never be accepted. Because it can come back to kill even the people who thought they could keep it in check. Nazism must be destroyed. EDIT: Shit, who’s to say it wasn’t some crazy wing it who killed Charlie for saying he “didn’t care about the Epstein files?” Kirk come out with a much-derided video saying that he “Trusts his friends in the Trump administration.” Jesus Christ that would be even crazier

There is some truly twisted within the current American mind. A toxic mix of extreme entitlement, national chauvinism, a lack of any real geopolitical rivals, a history of slavery and oppression that hasnt been fully dealt with yet, a destructive aversion to any sort of public funding as “communism”, an extreme lack of accountability surrounding their part in the destruction of other nations (Iraq War e.g.), and a culture built off aggressive “winner-takes-all” main character materialistic bullshit has lead to a nation fundamentally unable to reform itself when it needs to to prevent mass poverty / polarisation / violence / etc. America needs a massive dose of humility, and they need it now. They can’t keep “destroying” all their political / social / economic enemies and thinking this will lead to a sane, tolerant, peaceful society. Americans need to understand that they’re not the only ones of this planet, that other countries actually DO do certain things better, and that just bombing / murdering / rioting / scheming their way to power won’t fix anything. They’re like a schoolyard bully high on meth.

I don’t know if it’s been posted yet but this is a photo of the (alleged) shooter. If it is then he doesn’t strike me as some radical trans activist to me. This just makes MAGA look even more unhinged. If the shooter was a right-winger then it’s further proof the MAGA movement is an insane death cult that doesn’t even protect its own members. Even more reasons for it to be destroyed.

Hmm. Well I guess my next question is was it someone from the left or the right. Either someone from the left (rightfully) pissed off a Charlie’s hateful, sexist, racist rhetoric but who took it to an extreme degree, or a disgruntled right-wing fan angry thar Charlie wasnt “Nazi enough” or something. I hate to say it I really hope it’s not the first one. The fact that most political violence comes from right-wing nutjobs wouldn’t matter to MAGA if it was a left-winger who shot him. They’re a fascist movement and will use it as an excuse to become as maximum unhinged and oppressive as possible. If it instead turns out to be someone on the right, MAGA will still try and twist and deny it but at least the public opinion wouldn’t be on their side and could actually make their movement look even worse. I fucking despise that this is where we’re at as a society the strength of democracy lives or dies based off the actions of a few violent radicals, but here we are. Just a very stupid and traumatising age. I hope one day people come to their senses and all this bullshit blows over.

My question is, why Charlie? As far as right-wing pundits go hes one of the more “tame” and civil-minded (at least when compared to someone like say, Alex Jones or Nick Fuentes.) Who could’ve possibly had beef with him to point of staging a targetted assassination at a crowded event? This wasn’t some “Internet personality gets harassed at home” thing, nor was it even “Internet personality shot during heated incident”, this was a planned, professional assassination to cause as much chaos and visibility as possible. Something doesn’t add up. If it was a disgruntled fan, what could Charlie have said to piss them off so much, to the point of killing him from 200 yards away in front of thousands of people? If it was someone else, then what did he do to make himself such a big target? Very strange indeed.

Being human is complicated.