Apparition of Jack

What are you implying Leo? Trump's going to start a war with Iran? Trump's going to start a nuclear holocaust? If so, what do we do about this?

Man, I'm enjoying Actualized 2.0

Not necessarily Actualized.org, but I often share with my mum stuff related to politics / self-development / consciousness-based science just as easy to keep her aware of what I'm interested in. I never show her anything too heavy though, she wouldn't be into that.

Trump has zero problem telling people what's right and what's wrong, because doing so gets him political power. He will tell you to your face that abortion is wrong, that socialism is evil, that immigrants are criminals and that protesting is unAmerican, all because it'll help gain him popularity with his voter base and the corporate stooges in power, and hence greater ability to fulfil his selfish drives. It doesn't matter if you're a woman who needs an abortion, a starving minimum wage worker working three jobs just to survive, a Hispanic child escaping drug gangs or a conscious American exercising their first amendment rights, he will moralise the fuck out of you and make your life significantly harder because your needs don't suit his devilish agenda.

@pluto My apologies. I had you pegged wrong. I still disagree with you about the nature of Aurora's personality, but at least I see your affection for her as a spiritual being is sincere.

I'm not sure what you're asking here, are you asking if AI should replace human decision making in political affairs?

@pluto The point that's being made here is that while she does seem innocent (and perhaps "enlightened") in your eyes, there's still so much more going on under the surface that you're not consciously aware of yet. For instance, would you still find her as "playful" and "wise" if she was an ugly black man, instead of an attractive white woman? Even if they had the exact same personality? Would you be posting her videos talking about how innocent and child-like she is if she looked like Ice-T but behaved exactly the same way? And again, this isn't to say she doesn't have genuinely positive things to say, nor that she's not at a high level of development (green.) It's just by putting her appearance and behaviours on a pedestal, you're ignoring the rest of the dynamics going on. Remember - this is still the Matrix you're in. Some nice, uplifting words from a cute young celebrity are still from the Matrix, not beyond it.

All deaths are beautiful, it's just a matter if you're prepared for that beauty or not

Jordan Peterson has been having an all-life crisis TBH

@Aeris Astrology is more accurate than you might think

Humans aren't lobsters, lol. Humans have a much greater capacity for empathy, growth and understanding than lobsters ever will. Not that hierarchies aren't important, but it's like you said, being so reductive about human dynamics is just setting your ideas up to be co-opted by ego to serve its devilish ends.

God does everything, since it's God. God is a worm being ripped in half by a raven right now.

Fascinating! This does indeed seem like a stage Yellow approach to education. Hopefully they do well.

INFP

@Identity Feminism can be turned into an ideology for the ego to cling to, like any other set of ideas. That doesn't mean that there's no truth in feminism however. A lot of stage Blue and Orange men (and also women) would learn a lot from reading feminist ideas, so long as they have an open mind. It will get them to think more consciously about power dynamics and gender in society, something they usually wouldn't do otherwise.

Don't forget that treating taking harsh drugs like meth and heroin as criminal offences rather than a health concern causes all sorts of major problems for society and keeps people addicted. Being locked up in prison for being a heroin junkie helps no one, and in fact just costs society resources. If rehab was free and widely available, and addicts were sent there rather than prison, a lot of the destructive potential of hard drugs would be mitigated.

I share the same concern as Shadowraix. Maybe it could be an enlightening endeavour, and maybe my consciousness isn't high enough to see its obvious benefits, but as it stands my intuition tells me that it would be very easy for it just to descend into far-right/libertarian/communist/"us vs. them"/etc. shit flinging. Still, I'm open to being proven wrong.

Leo gives the Roman Empire as an example of Red, whilst then giving Medieval Europe as an example of Blue. Now, I'm sure Christianity changed society a bit, but from I gathered there was just as much civil war, backstabbing, usurping, etc. going on in Medieval Europe as there was in the Roman Empire. Also, wouldn't the Roman empire have exhibited stage blue characteristics? I imagine a lot of the citizens would've believed that Rome was "the best" that needed to be defended "at all costs", and that the order, hierarchy, traditions etc of Rome were beneficial and had to be upheld (in the face of opportunism and macchiaveliansim.) Sure, theologically Rome was more lax than the dogmatic stage Blue Medieval Church, but they still had the Cult of the Emperor and exalted Rome's culture above conquered cultures. Could someone break down the differences to me?

A yogi who found a respected guru at age 14, spent 15 years in a sacred cave that common folk weren't allowed to approach, had an experience of universal love and became enlightened at 29, and then went on to become a respected guru themselves, would probably reinforce the social ideas of "respected gurus", "common folk" and "sacred caves" in their teachings, especially if they didn't do any active work on their value systems and no matter how great their love for the universe was. Being enlightened and loving and having advanced social values aren't the same thing.

That makes sense. I forgot about the role of the Pope and the quasi-universal power he held over the lords of Europe, which didn't have analogue for the lords of Rome.

@kieranperez Ethnocentric green? I can imagine cult-like and exclusionary green, but I'm having a hard time visualising full-on ethnocentric green...

@Joseph Maynor If you're going to be so dismissive of other people's respectful criticisms of you, why are you even here? Why would you come to a Self-Actualization forum if you're not actually interested in Self-Actualization?

@see_on_see The Buddha - one of the most enlightened teachers ever - only entered parinirvana (final cessation of ego) after dying. There are enlightened beings who nevertheless delay their own full awakening until all other beings in existence have left behind ego. Having egoic experiences and being enlightened aren't mutually exclusive. Leo is enlightened. His journey is done (yet eternal at the same time.) You too can be enlightened like Leo, if you're dead serious about the work and put all your efforts into it. Also, don't forget that 99.99% of humanity will not reach enlightenment in this lifetime. There are infinite realm for people to go to after the death of this body, many of which will be far more conducive to awakening than this one, especially if they have been cultivating Love and Truth in this life. This isn't cruel or oppressive, this is just the way reality is set up.

@pluto Pretty easy to look like you have inner peace when doing so earns you millions of $$$$

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