Apparition of Jack

@remember If they're leading a stage red or purple business, they are not turquoise. You have to be careful with your attachment to aesthetics/language here. Just because a company or person uses Yellow or Turquoise-sounding language in a product, doesn't mean they actually have any idea what those concepts they're talking about refer to. Odds are, if they're a greedy stage Orange business person, their only understanding of spirituality is how it'll help them make more money.

Off the top of my head: Western: Plotinus Heraclitus Parmenides Plato Pythagoras Proclus Iamblichus Jesus Christ John Scotus Eriugena St John of the Cross St Teresa of Avila Meister Eckhart Pseudo-Dionysus the Areogapite St Hildergaard Aleister Crowley Hegel Jane Leade Jakob Bohme Alan Watts Terrence McKenna Ram Dass Eastern: Nagarjuna Adi Shankara Lao Tzu The Buddha Guru Rinpoche Milarepa Guru Nanak Rumi Muhammad Al Ghazali Al Arabi Avicenna Averroes Bodhidharma Krishna Bankei Hakuin Seongcheol The Dalai Lama Dolpopa Sadhguru That should get you started!

At a glance, my guess would be blue with hints of orange and red.

@Ariesleith Be careful with that group. They're a cult centered around their deceased founder that engage in strict moralisation of members, demonisation of outsiders, etc.

@Scholar I He is keeping people stuck in blue and orange. If he wants to truly be a force for good in the world, he needs to drop his demonisation of green.

"Hippie vomit" is eastern spiritual concepts' way of influencing the Western consciousness, lol. I remember being a teenager and being weirded out by the Vishnu magnet my uncle had on his fridge. Now, looking back at it, it feels like an early encounter with the gods letting me know they would become major presences in my life, lol.

Eventually, once the pool of candidates is smaller, yes. For now though, he should stick to gaining momentum by calling out the corrupt establishment Democrats (Warren is a progressive, just not as progressive as Bernie) and taking the fight to the Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc. companies that are trying to undermine his ideas.

Nice!

Thank you for this find!

The funny thing is the technology IS here right now. It's being deliberately suppressed by the fossil fuel industry though, since it out-performs and is much cheaper than anything the fossil fuel industry has to offer. If people think fossil fuels are still viable then they're deluding themselves. We have everything we need to make the switch to renewables overnight. The the problem is corruption and devilry.

The Koch brothers aren't even ahead of their time though. In fact, they are quite regressive. A more apt example would be slave owners who opposed the revolution because they liked the monarchy.

The whole light side / dark side thing messed with the original understanding of the Force IMO. In the OT no one ever mentions "light side", there's just the Force (who the Jedi harness) and the Dark Side of the Force (who the Sith harness.) They're not two competing philosophies of "balance", one clearly strives for balance while the other is used only to serve ego and devilry.

@Serotoninluv My intuition is that now is the time for a strongly-Green president like Bernie, ego backlash be damned. Obviously that is not to say he and his supporters should become needlessly toxic towards the stage Blue and Orange powers-that-be, but the fact of the matter is the pressures of the world at this moment in history are such that only solid Green can help us navigate the trials to come. It won't be a regular presidency, and I imagine there'll be a lot of political conflict even after he gets elected, but this is why everyone interested in consciousness, self-actualisation, etc. needs to get more involved in order to help integrate such a strong consciousness shift in society. For as tough as Bernie's presidency will be, the alternative - either a corporate stooge Democrat or a second Trump term - would be much tougher, what with the growing legitimacy of ethno-nationalism / aggressive climate denial / etc. If we put in the hard, gritty work now over the next few years, despite how tough it'll be, the fruits will be a much more compassionate and sane world in the next few decades / centuries.

@Leo Gura Hmm. You've got me thinking, because a huge part of the appeal of Bernie is his actual policies, which would help to ease much of the damage caused by late-stage capitalism. If most of his ideas won't get through the Senate, what would you say he'd be able to do to actually transform US society? Do you envision some sort of "social revolution" instead where the idea that big corporations, politicians, etc. get so harassed by the public dialogue that moving forward it would be impossible for them to act as predatory as they do now without massive backlash? Like how after the Civil Rights movement it went from being OK to be openly racist to being public suicide? Like say, if after Bernie's victory a corporation tries to cut worker's overtime pay, the amount of ill-will this would cause would force them to drop it and keep giving decent overtime benefits? And so on.

Barack Obama pushed for increasing healthcare coverage to Americans, whilst also drone-striking people at weddings. Barbaric is relative.

@Peo No.

"If you've done something right, people will think you've done nothing at all" - God from Futurama

For some reason, hearing that God loves the Buddha really made me feel good

Time to bust out the burn barrels and guitars

@Haloman You're missing the forest for the trees. Having a specific idea of what the "next life" or even afterlife in general looks like will make you focus on what is essentially inconsequential details of the spiritual work instead of the more important aspects of it. Instead of hoping for "absolute wisdom" from an "enlightened master", become an enlightened master yourself and figure out whether the afterlife is something worth worrying about or not.

@Leo Gura Just out of curiosity, where would you put him on the Spiral? You said before in the Zizek vs. Peterson debate that he was most likely stage Green, but would you say he a large degree of Yellow to him, or not really?

An example of the beginnings of a healthy stage Orange and the Blue society it emerges from's resistance against it

Russia does seem like a mix of blue and red. Russian culture, social beliefs, etc would all be very blue ("Russia needs to be internally secure and to push its interests against other powers!"), but the government and business leaders would all be very unhealthy manifestations of red. My guess is Leo was talking mostly about the power dynamics, and not so much about the culture at large. Although I imagine there are red elements to general Russian culture too.

@Tom T My guess is that he's gonna say he's too introverted and too focused on his own research into Consciousness / Love etc. Being a president doesn't just involve having good ideas, it also involves getting people to support and act on those ideas, which in the world of politics is an endless job. Plus, even in 20-60 years time, when we've pushed into Green a little more, Leo's ideas will still probably be too advanced for most people, and make him seem like a kook to the world at large

@inFlow You ARE your parents, AND you created them. It's a mindfuck, but that's how we know it's true.