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This quote is from a post made by the user below. This is truth in my opinion. This really resonated with me. My parents love was always my connection to the divine through Unconditional Love. When my dad cheated on my mom is exactly the moment i felt this fall from grace. Now after a dozens of awakening experiences and integrating the shadow i realize more and more that our pure love as a child was our bridge to the Divine. We just forgot. Want to see how conditioned we've become? Love yourself deeply as a state of being (without per se chasing the emotion). And see how it triggers a feeling of inferiority, shame, fear of betrayal etc. These emotions are ingrained in us after we've felt heartbreak. To not happen again. We don't want to feel Love/the Divine because there is nothing more painful than it being taken from us. The trick is recognizing it was you all the time which was Love. Not your parents. No one else. They just symbolized a part of yourself. @Visionary

@WelcometoReality Fair point. I will contemplate.

@WelcometoReality Because i'm tired of my normal life but i don't want to die so i'm stuck.

@WelcometoReality That's too far for me. Like i read that sentence and my mind thinks my world will collapse around me. So clearly i'm self defeating myself here with my mind. I want truth. But i don't want to die in the process. So i'm stuck haha

@WelcometoReality Sounds terrifying.

Facts. How do i start this process in my direct experience?

So i'm on the come down and still sort of high on LSD. Number one message from the trip that i'm taking away is: I'm sick and I need to heal That is my mission statement or at least it should be. I am really sick and ill. I need to help myself get out of this jam i'm in. I'm stuck. I have a choice to either act from love or fear. Act from love and everything will be okay. New number one message lol: Go find a good therapist that can help deal me with these emotional issues. I think i've done all I can do i gotta look beyond myself for help now.

@Stakres @Reils If you guys pm please post the transcripts or invite haha. Seems like a nuclear level convo in the making

How do you workout for 2.5 hours? Unless i'm in yoga class I find i half ass my workouts a lot and I have difficulty pushing myself hard enough where I feel deeply satisfied after the workout. Sorry to hijack lol but i'm just curious if others have the same problem when starting out in working out/training.

@Fede83 My advice is to find someone online you can talk to through skype. Look for both therapists and life coaches online and find someone who resonates with you strongly. Send them a message about what you want, and see if they give you a good response. @Nahm I think is good. But you have to find someone that you trust and resonate with.

@Stakres Not sure I don't feel love. But the name of the game seems to be love from what i've learned so far. You either get it or you don't. I think we've hijacked the thread enough. We can just continue in PM.

@Stakres Do you know what love is? Do you feel it in your life in almost anything you do? Do you love me?

@Stakres Do you feel in love with life?

@Stakres It means I can walk outside and run 100 miles. I'm pretty sure right now I can't but I know there are people that can do it. I want what they got. I can only speak from direct experience. If anyone asked me am I happy like 6 months ago I would have said sure. And I would not have considered myself depressed. But I see what I'm missing in my direct experience now, so I can see the issue with my old worldview that would have not classified myself as unhappy and depressed. What is your purpose here?' Also you didn't answer my question about your direct experience of contentment and being on the path.

@Stakres Because i'm on a self-help forum trying to improve my direct experience. Not necessarily. Depression also means suicidal thoughts and just not wanting to live anymore. I don't have any of that. I want to feel like superman and run 100 miles with ease. Is that what getting out depression means too? It's based on my judgement. But are we just assuming everyone who thinks they're happy is actually happy?

@Stakres What does content mean? And what does on the path for multiple years mean? I can only speak from direct experience. I was depressed, and am currently depressed. I went to therapy and have taken medication. What worked for me in the past was a number of self help techniques that i basically applied to myself. Where is my pill for happiness, love and satisfaction? Didn't know they taught that subject in medical school. If medicine is so effective and proven, why are you still on the path? Why are you only content? This is the only thing you posted above that is evidence for your position. The rest doesn't speak to the effectiveness of medicine or the scientific approach. Improvement of symptoms of depression is so ambiguous. When I was depressed I would stay up late and cry a lot. Improvement of my depression would have been stopping the crying. That doesn't address the deeper issues of unhappiness and dissatisfaction in one's life. You are talking about giving advice to help relieve symptoms of a deeply unhappy person. Science can treat symptoms. But i'd be skeptical about science's ability to make unhappy person into someone who is in love with their own existence. I'll give you a case study from my own direct experience. My grandma suffers from depression. She has episodes once every couple of years where her moods dips hard. She takes antidepressants and feels a bit better and goes back to being normal grandma. Science counts this as a win. My family counts this as a win. But i can see her direct experience. Her normal is not living life happy, in love, kind, radiating a deep appreciation for life. She goes from depressed back to her normal judgmental, unhappy, busy work. This is not a win. Science counts this is a win. That's the problem I have with the scientific approach.

@Stakres Link studies on depression and unhappiness and medicine's proven track record dealing this stuff. Because I know doctors in my life and people in the medical field. And i'm fresh out of undergrad in a science background where many students were pre-med and so I know how these people approach science and life in general. You didn't answer my question about your own direct experience of happiness and satisfaction. Are you speaking from experience or are you just parroting what your doctor friends tell you about the new age.

@Stakres Lol do you know any people in medical school? Do you think doctors are learning how to make people happy and deal with structuring lives to create more love and satisfaction with their day to day experience? Medical help, i.e antidepressants, can help people change people's feeling but it won't address the question of why people are even unsatisfied and unhappy in the first place. Sure, antidepressants can be part of a holistic plan to improve one's life. But doctors and therapists are unlikely to have a holistic view as how to improve one's life. That's why having a life coach is good because it touches on all aspects of your life. Sure if you find a super star therapist that can do everything then by all means go for it. You are overestimating the extent to which medical help works in this area. We aren't treating cancer here...

This is a good sign that you should change it up. If you've hit a dead end of what you can accomplish on your own then working with someone can be useful to get yourself on the right track. I'd say look for a 1-1 teacher. What is your financial situation like? Do you have any excess money to pay for a life coach once every few weeks? Also, be very picky about who you choose as a therapist. Not all therapists are created equal, be sure to find one that resonates with you on a deep level Yea, no. A therapist "can" do it for sure. But my neighbor can do exactly do what a life coach does and a therapist does too. I'm pretty young, and i'm i've spent a lot of time in University at graduate and undergraduate levels. Most people in school are idiots. I'd be very skeptical about trusting a therapist with improving your life when you have no guarantee that these people have their lives together. Life coaches are far more accessible and many good coaches will incorporate therapeutic techniques anyway. Show me all that great science that improves people's direct experience to the point where they go from deeply unhappy to incredibly happy and satisfied with life. Science has not figured out to how effectively make people happy. If i was going insane or was suicidal then sure i'd trust meds or therapists to get me to a point where i don't feel like killing myself. But if you want deeper answers for how to live your life and how to improve the quality of your experience so you are functioning optimally then i'd be skeptical about trusting science. @Stakres Are you deeply happy and satisfied with life? Are you speaking from experience when you say how effective therapy can be?

@Stakres Fair enough. @Fede83 Have you thought about working 1-1 with a life coach? I think it can be very helpful especially if you feel lost right now and you are already on the path. Therapy is good too, but I think it could also be good to have like a head coach kind of person to help guide you in the right direction. So think of therapy as like working with a trainer doing drills, and then your head coach, life coach, provides greater insight from a higher perspective.

Don't listen to this guy. You can do both. If you find a therapist there's no reason to drop the meditation or the enlightenment work.

@Leo Gura Do you think shapiro is consciously misleading people or putting on an act? Or do you think his behavior is just typical of an intelligent dogmatic stage blue person?

I had a period like 4 years ago where i overcame a year long depressive episode and i had never felt better in my life. I wasn't aware of the path so I had no way of understanding the experience. But i felt like a constant high, and i worked through many issues in my life over a short period because of the enhanced state. I've basically been seeking a "better life" for my entire life to some degree or another. But during that period i thought I actually figured life out. What exactly do you learn on LSD trips that translates to sober everyday experience?

@modmyth I mean what are you trying to accomplish in your direct experience each day?

@Serotoninluv What did you do to get more time in the here and now? I just got a bunch of LSD so i'm going to start doing trips soon.