Norbert Lennartz

@Zizzero I think it's the other way around.

What's the direct experience for begging for "good government"?

Good choice. The constituted science is mainly culture and little real knowledge. This can even be observed as well as in the whole climate hype. All the jurists believe that they are doing science and acting accordingly. But law is only a pure text science like literary science or art history. They imprison people because that's what their culture wants.

The money's not to blame. There is survival and the "way to God". You have also explained all that. These ways are incompatible with each other. I cannot act and at the same time come to rest. That is why it is wrong to fill the temple with such stuff. It does not belong there. But that is no reason to regard money or action as bad. Jesus cannot have meant that.

You're confusing that with fiat money, the state currency. In an unhindered market, of course, what is used as money is also unhindered. To abolish sound money too is of course pure nonsense.

In my life there is no survival if I come to rest completely, do not act. Because to act means to satisfy needs. Then I am choosing, setting goals, values, weighing up, etc. In the meditative phases I switch off the crap as best I can in order to achieve full awareness.

Then the unhampered market is win-win and win-win-win and global collective consciousness.

@Hellspeed one cosmos, one spirit, seven rabbits, seven minds

What's that? Can you check it? I think it is nonsense. There is a comprehensive, general spirit that is contained everywhere, you could call it the Holy Spirit, and there is a fallible, limited, individual mind. In English language both are always called "mind".

I'm wondering why nobody here believes in "good government" yet.

I wouldn't say that. Thoughts are something that "we" can partially observe or become aware of. Thoughts are reflections of the apparatus of life. The question is rather, why do we even notice that? Why at all? And this is an illusion in the course of the process of constantly generating a new ego that remembers the past. A constant coming and going. But this "I" is always only in the now. It is a snapshot like the individual images of a film or the individual lines of a computer program with which the ego identifies in order to be able to live at all and to maintain its structure.

Why don't we get a good education by state? Why does the state not educate self-confident people? The answer is simple. Because otherwise people would abolish the state. That would weaken the strong state. "Good government" is interested in a strong state, not in you.

I belief that I am not the beliefer.

I hope so. But without the fucking idea of "good government", one day.

I find it pointless to talk about such supernatural phenomena if one has not made the direct experience oneself. Reading about it is too little. I don't want to claim that it doesn't exist, but it's as crazy as if you function on one level as your program and your admin or programmer intervenes in the program, giving you additional insights, or staining the Virgin Mary, etc. It is conceivable. But...

Leo takes me as orange, but that's not true.

Leave them alone, or it'll frustrate you.

Not even ants do it all the way.

It seems to me that "good government" still needs something like free will.

What does "free" mean? Free in what? Can there be something that is free except in itself?

You believe that. But you don't have any evidence. It is even the other way around for me. No social change can be made really efficient by the state. Just because the state doesn't know the prices.

Let's make this simple. Take some law from the state and check. Is it based on a moral judgment or not? Truly, I tell you, every men-made law is based on personal morality. It is done without love. If it were love, then it would only be an offer that I can also refuse gratefully.

@kieranperez If that is the warrant to crucify, then crucify again and be crucified.

Thank you for that wise sentence. It should be added that if someone writes much about praying to the state as God and little about love, then that is also the case. Because he produces enemies because of the lack of love. Where there is pure love, there are no social problems, as Krishnamurti teaches. One can address dualistic problems only in the dualistic way and yet simultaneously with love. The differently shaped listeners, who listen without love, send the speaker to prison, to Somalia, to the concentration camp and elsewhere.

@Shiva Why is that "negative"? That is your rating. Your pathetic ego, isn't it? You think I'm an ungrateful outsider who should be expelled to Somalia. What a hateful nature it is! Not only hatred. Where there is hatred, then arrogance and stupidity join. The "good governance" we have comes from the offices of companies and private individuals serving the unhampered market. Today's prosperity comes from technological progress, not because of government, but despite government. My grand parents were two times in world war because of "good government". The historical rise of the state can be explained by the fact that there is more to skim off than before.