Norbert Lennartz

Who are you to create? You just observe. You are only the light on the screen. You are the fleeting flickering of consciousness of a self-preserving structure. Autopoiesis.

What bothers me about Leo's video is merely that he says that the self-definition of the living is irrational and illogical. That's wrong, of course. That's natural unfolding of potential. That is highly rational and logical. Otherwise it wouldn't be. But it is chaotic. Evolution does not follow a visible plan. If life arises, it is simply a destiny that gives itself a self-sustaining and producing (autopoietic) structure. It is an instance that gives itself a quasi arbitrary value that it pursues.

All life is definitely for survival. (Except dying in some way, but that is unimportant here.) But in Oneness (or Turquoise) it doesn't matter anymore whether something serves survival or not because we are aware of it. So I'm deviating a bit from Leo here. We know what a machine gun can do and yet the military is under the control of the wrong people. People who are not aware that they are struggling to survive because of what they are doing don't understand the reasons why they produce conflicts lovelessly and often unnecessarily, referring to beliefs so as not to go mad themselves. It must be remembered here that survival, evolution, is not a rational process. It is not the purpose of evolution to produce more highly developed forms of life. Life fills niches and occupies them without asking for any ethical sense. And that happens to us humans too. People cannot get out of this trap unless they realize themselves on another reflective, recursive level. That is why they remain like zombies spiritually standing and sticking to what they have. These are, of course, contradictions that inevitably arise by following dualities. But in this way they are incapable of dissolving them. They have no mental means to do so. This is similar to eating their brains because they no longer need them. (There is such a creature, I don't know if it was a jellyfish or something.) From their limited perspective, it is rational to ponder what the lesser evil is. For the awakened, that means they are uncooperative with you in many things. And then they are literally a half-dead instance of the uncooperative, rationalizing and configuring with other uncooperative demons to succeed in maintaining their own instance. A product of evolution. We would have to come mentally away from having to choose a rationalized evil. It is no coincidence that democracy happens this Count Dracula way.

@Shadowraix It's some people's hobby to interpret my intentions.

@CreamCat That's a great insight you're presenting here. Thank you. I made an example of it yesterday, but it only triggered people to close the thread because they didn't understand it. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/35426-the-trap-of-chasing-the-idea-of-good-government/ Of course, the state elites are interested in systematically keeping us spiritually stupid so that they can exploit us. We are their cattle. That is how they unconsciously see us. That is their survival function. It fits 100% to Leo's survival video. And what could be better for the rancher if the cattle believes that slaughter is a conspiracy theory?

On Facebook I once again had a contact with a minarchsist, a believer of "good government", who is designing a new state construction. I answered there: "The question is, what do you think about resignations in your favorite state (organized right of secession)? Whether you feel threatened by it, or whether you are so empathetic that you would do anything about it. I believe the former. And then you can put as much love and dignity into your constitution as you want. Love is not there then." That's one of the best things I've come up with about this topic so far.

How deep it goes. Let us debunk deeper. I am frightened of fat spiders. This is a burned-in or stored thought from some past. It doesn't matter how it gets there. It is there as soon as the spider is there. But it could be that we only argue about words. Is there anything at all that we receive without any judgment? (By the way: A filter is already a judgment, isn't it?) I would say no. It is impossible to receive anything from the outside in its Wholeness. (By the way: the Cartesian question goes inward, doesn't it?) So we cannot receive the whole Wholeness from the outside. We can only do experimenting around. What we get is at best a copy of the non-dual Truth. Each copy probably has a loss of Reality. (Although in practice there are ways to reduce the loss. But that's another issue). So what can we do in misery? We can only absorb information and process it so that it does not contradict what we have already accepted or dangerously need to accept. So we build ourselves an order with which we feel comfortable and with which we can cope in our lives. That is very pragmatic. And since everyone pursues a different life and has a slightly different assembly, these individual orders can also be very different in the end. But this assembly in itself is a purely internal process, which is completely in accordance with Oneness. The social problem arises because we let a different set of facts affect us, which does not allow us to have and live compatible inner orders. And that is very dangerous.

@Leo Gura Feelings are not only an expression of external facts, but also of our own judgement. Is that controversial?

yeah, thank you.

Holy crap. I just got back from a 30 minute retreat. But I think Inliytened1 is right. Thinking in accordance with Oneness is possible. We even do that all the time here. That is, acting in alignment with Oneness is also possible. Anything else would mean we would be lost.

Why not? You feel it. Feeling is thinking.

Great answers here but debunk again. Is there something in my life that isn't survival? And since thinking is part of survival, it cannot be thinking. Now we all return to it, it has something to do with oneness, with the universe, the cosmos, with God. This realization must be there to feel that the duality of life causes suffering. Whether we only feel it consciously or think it consciously, both are still thinking that leads us there. Thinking takes place on the level of existence that forms a thought. So we cannot avoid firing back our level of existence by collapsing the thought of the duality of life and then saving it. But if that is so, then that is survival, isn't it?

In that existential realm that forms a thought.

No, initiating love has nothing to do with it. The bond is decisive. You cooperate with your child. This demands love and forms of love. The champs of "good government" also claim that love and dignity is sooooo important and "promise" that in their funny state constitutions. But the relationship is not cooperative, not real. It's lip service. Nothing results from that. And that is already the best case. The party can still say how honest it is. It is not cooperative. And that makes them loveless.

good answer, thanks

Speak like an Apache, Comanche, etc.

"Awakening" is a recursive, creatively open process into the "shallows" of all structural levels. This is all mental. Many levels are just emerging mentally. If these mental levels are not present, as with lower animals, then they do not need awakening. In this respect their primitiveness is the highest level of awakening.

Which means you'd be paying for decent living conditions. A demand arises. It is satisfied. But you don't like the mechanical.

Money is only a means to action. Without means there is no action. Let people use their means to act. There are leftists who want so much.

When I freeze you, you have love.

Love is no thing.

@Umar_uk Maybe, but that was not the question.

war correspondents Writing history with the blood of victims They don't know what's going on in the jungle, but it can only be bad.

If my printer gets free, I'll throw it in the trash.

That's an absolute. No faith.