Parththakkar12

Damn! Look at how sure people are that there is no agenda. It's obvious to me that there is. You don't see it because it fits with your survival!

Yeah well, if you like Trump, you almost have to be a secret voter because you are the biggest enemy of the mainstream! Especially if you aren't a raving Q-Anonner but you just like Trump, you would keep quiet about your political preferences. If you are a Q-Anonner, you can tell them about it and be a part of that group. I have a feeling that this community in general grossly over-estimates the level of development of people. Leo has gotten a lot better at understanding how low their level of development is, but I still think he over-estimates it. Almost nobody studies policy! Myself included. I've never really studied any policies. My whole point of engaging in these discussions is to study collective ego behavior, which is my pet project. I mean, it's a good thing to give people the benefit of the doubt. It is respectful and appropriate, especially when you don't know for sure.

Another thing about this is that people have to desperately hold on to the belief that they have the truth and that they are right. If they don't, they would have to admit to themselves how susceptible to manipulation they actually are. People like to believe that they're right and they have it all figured out!

This whole thread is a classic example of enforcement of norms by way of ridicule! We don't have anything to back our narrative. How do we enforce it? By hand-waving away conspiracy theorists by ridiculing them!

This one is just classic though. What's interesting to me is to see conspiracy theorists laugh at the mainstream, call the mainstream paranoid about COVID! Only time will tell which side is more paranoid.

@unborn_chicken Well observed. People like to assume they're right when they're not really sure. The defensiveness is to protect themselves from gaslighting and getting swayed to the extremes, which backfires miserably.

I'm talking about the fundamental normal attitudes of people in society. I distinctly remember in 2016, the reason people voted for him. The reason I saw was that they wanted drama. They were sick of the politically correct establishment politicians who were very slick and slippery, who knew how to control crowds in a neat and orderly fashion. This hasn't changed in 2020. I can still feel like there is this pent up ball of energy that's just waiting to explode. It's like people are sick of order and they want to see some fireworks, some action! I'm talking about there being structural problems in the very mechanisms of maintaining order in general. (I'm in a really psychic mood today)

@Preety_India My mind is open to what you're saying. The reason I suspect him being a feature is that we've seen 4 full years of the Trump show without him getting impeached. It just keeps going!! The level of immunity of this guy in the system baffles me.

My point is that there's no way in hell this guy could become the President of the United States of America with a clean and functional system. You can bash him and try to beat him all you want, but if the system stays dysfunctional, there'll be another Trump in the next 4 years. It's not this guy himself who is the real problem, it's the system that enables him. If the systemic issues get resolved, Trump will be impeached tomorrow. You can say that conspiracy theorists take it to the other extreme, but 4 years of Trump must be a sign that the system is rotten to the core.

I've watched 26 minutes of it. He starts talking about 'healthy fruits and vegetables making it worse' somewhere around 25 minutes. What Leo was talking about sounded more like emotional starvation. I've experienced the exact same thing. When I looked into it (with the help of this absolute genius Teal Swan), it turned out to be unresolved childhood trauma and relationship issues. I was lonely and I needed to find a way to a connected relationship. Especially when he said he felt like it was a 'cascade of toxic chemicals' which drained him, that's what it reminded me of. He said that fruits and vegetables made it worse, right? I'll tell you what I think happened there - when you eat fruits and vegetables, your life becomes more organic and natural. Which means, you have lost resources to cope with your existing emotional dysfunctions. When you eat meat, dairy, junk and processed foods, one of the reasons it's so appealing is that it gives you the ability to cope with emotional dysfunctions. This is why you can stay in your rational mind (which is not natural for humans) and be a work-machine like you do! Maybe Leo actually just needed some rest and he needed to stop pushing himself so hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cjo9YwMkTg This is an interesting perspective on chronic fatigue! I hope this helps.

I'm Indian. Here in India, it's very easy to be vegan! It's very easy to make good Indian food that's vegan. Will have all the nutrients you need. There's a lot of Hindu religious traditions here that are heavily identified with being vegetarian. Cow-worshipping is a thing here because of which beef either is illegal or was illegal here. I wanted beef to be legal when I was a meat-eater!

Sure! I eat dairy from time to time to see how my body reacts to it. Does it react better or worse? I eat processed sugar to check for the same. A part of me still can't believe that my body doesn't like these things! The real reason I turned vegan is not because 'I should save animals' or 'It isn't moral to use animals for taste pleasure'. No dogmatism like that from my side. The real reason is that as I evolved more and more, my body started to react badly to meat, dairy, bread, junk food and other processed foods. My body started to gain less energy from eating these foods than was being spent in digesting it. It was as if the body wanted to expel meat/milk/yoghurt from the body instead of assimilating the nutrients from it! I literally had to do it to survive after a certain point in my own evolution.

No. It just shows your level of development in this area of life, that is food/diet. It's okay to be where you are.

I'm actually the exception to this rule. My favorite food as a kid was raw fruits and vegetables! I didn't like meat and I didn't like eggs. I didn't like junk food. All of this other stuff has been an acquired taste for me.

This means that you aren't evolved enough yet to want to take responsibility for animal suffering. Your ego is so dense that it needs to kill animals to survive! I'm sorry, that's what I actually think. I'm not there yet either, so I'm in the same boat.

I'm taking on the hard challenge of answering your question. He's turned the world into a clown show. I just don't take politics too seriously anymore because of him. Especially after he got COVID, I was like 'I've seen everything I needed to see in my life. This is it. My life is complete now.' I think that the system is beyond saving from the damage he's done to it. I'm not worrying too much about saving it from his rape and pillage. After all, it is this system that produced Trump. I'm just putting on my sunglasses and watching it burn. Now is this a good thing or a bad thing? Depends on what you want the world to look like.

@BlackMaze Yeah well, you gotta eat something! I'd choose plants over animals if I were awakened enough to that.

@PurpleTree When you kill a plant, it does not feel pain because it does not have a nervous system. Therefore, from the perspective of minimizing suffering, killing a plant is better than killing an animal. In the universe, nothing is off-limits. It is an unconditionally loving universe. However, human beings are capable of using their own minds to learn spiritual practices to transcend their own minds and become enlightened, such that we wake up to the reality that we are everything. Therefore, if an animal gets killed in a slaughter-house, that's you! When you wake up to that, it becomes in your own best interests to save animals and become vegan.

I can write a book on this! Thanks for the book idea

Hey everyone, I'm writing a book. I'm wanting to give credit to some big named famous people for being an inspiration for me in this work. This is coming from an honest place. I'm also doing this to get some attention in the first few pages, so that people can relate to a 'buzzword big-name' and relate to me better. Is this, strictly speaking, legal? Could I get sued for 'trying to hog their attention'?

@Hawkins There's only one way I know of to resolve this situation - 1. Research your position thoroughly and fact-check everything you believe, and 2. Go down their rabbit holes to integrate their perspectives. If you conclude that it is factually inaccurate, it won't bug you so much! Next time you can show them your findings.

@Leo Gura prioritizes expressing his raw, unfiltered insights above catering to the masses and giving them something simple and practical to chew on. Of course there will be gross misinterpretations of the complicated stuff he says by a few people! Of course some people will simply not think through all the complications and they'll choose to shoot the messenger instead.

What if the standards for 'proof' and 'objectivity' are determined by the mainstream? Who decides those standards? You've said yourself that proof is a circular concept and that there is no such thing as objectivity. Who stands to benefit from having these specific standards? You may say 'I'd believe the mainstream definition of objectivity any day over some conspiracy theorist's definition of objectivity.' Oh yeah? Why is that? Is it because you were taught that there is such a thing as objectivity? There is a reason conspiracy theorists don't properly investigate them and follow mainstream standards of proof and rigor. It's because those also come into question! They aren't creating an opposing definition of truth and objectivity, they're transcending their attachment to objectivity and proof.

I'd love to do such a job! I can then spread whatever I want. I can start my own cult! Everyone please come join my cult. Joining fees - not $20,000, not $10,000, only the affordable price of $2000!! I will then censor anyone who goes against me.

One thing about these Stage Orange types who talk about 'tough love' and 'You are a loser because you deserve it!!!!' types - It's all good and fine to want to set goals. The issue with them is that they let success/failure define them. They will say things like 'You will never get anything better than what you aim for'. This is true, except for one exception - You don't define your life by your goals. You set the goal as an intention and then you fall in love with the growth process, as opposed to seeing the process as a means to an end. In this case, you can achieve a lot more than what you intend to achieve. Because, the movement you're creating isn't a taking movement anymore, it is a receiving movement, which is much more open, vulnerable and trusting of the universe. What you can get is not limited to what you can imagine in this case. When you say 'You are a loser because you deserve it', you are kicking someone when they're down. This is not tough love. This is bullying. Maybe it is tough love from a Stage Red perspective, where there are no rules and it's just pure dog-eat-dog. But, the higher stages have a conscience.