BlessedLion

You guys are acting like i'm saying something totally crazy and irrational but the joke is on you. This is well established information taught from some of the oldest, wisest, most accomplished traditions, from Tantra, to Yoga, to Taoism, to Shamanism, Sufism, and many others. Sexual energy cultivation is nothing new.

Yep, i see it as empowering and fun, i love going out and meeting women it's interesting and fun. It feels masculine too, like im taking the situation into my own paws rather than being a passive observer. Also, learning attraction is important. Attraction is the glue that holds a relationship together.

I see it more as an amplifier than your only source as motivation. Life purpose, pursuing women, reading books, gym are all enhanced through sexual energy cultivation, it's like upgrading the engine of your boat, you are still heading to the same destination but sexual energy can super boost your engine. That's been my experience at lest. Sex can also be had in a way where this energy is amplified and moved through in a conscious way, like tantric sex, rather than just pumped and released. Semen retention combined with yoga, tai chi, or gym can be seriously powerful. Today alone i approached multiple women which i wouldn't have done had i spent last night looking at porn so judge it how you'd like, but i have dates lined up for the week with hot women.

Yes, it's true. Mark Manson recommends this in his book "models". Don't touch your dick for a week or two and you wont' have approach anxiety. It's a form of mastery imo

@Emerald And i definitely don't think being unnattractive serves any women in any way. It's something they just have to make peace with and do the best they can with. Not saying they can't find true and deep love, but the idea that they are somehow advantaged is just wrong. The dating market is a real thing, and it's fucking cut-throat. If being average or below average looking was an advantage, then women would strive for that, but they don't, they optimize as best they can to be as beautiful as possible not because they are stupid or narcisistic, but because there are real world advantages to that including finding a partner. An ugly woman is just as suseptible to some creep who just wants her for sex as a beautiful one.

Fair enough. Very Tier 2/Integral of you to look at it from a layered perspective Honestly, i've spent so much time mastering and studying the domain of consciousness (worth it, don't get me wrong) and now I'm moving into this world of relationships, sexuality, attraction and dating because it feels like time. I also want a woman in my life in general, so i'm moving my focus here. Right now, i'm only studying attraction, i know that isn't the whole cake of this domain but I want a solid foundation and to truly understand all this. So i'm not rushing anything. Next, ill study sexual energy and the ways different traditions relate to it along with sexual practices like tantra. Next ill go into relationships and i'm sure that's going to go very deep. But i plan to master these domains over the next 10 years and already i do quite well. I'm pretty impressed with how quickly i learned attraction skills and what works in terms of attracting women, this is not as easy as you might think, women especially when you are a stranger are like deers in the wild- every movement, eye contact, voice tonality, is being filtered by her and you have to be on point. It's been a fascinating process, and i don't see it as shallow in any way. In fact, every man should learn this stuff. It's made me so sensitive to women and i actually feel more love and compassion for them, it must be hard to constantly have men desiring and approaching you, and manage that with kindness and skill. I don't blame women for being picky, they should be. I also feel for men too, it's hard to navigate these things "is she interested?" "Am i disturbing her?" "Is this creepy?" "What does she see or not see in me?" and also having this wildly aggresively high sex drive that is telling us to fuck everything moving which we didn't neccesarily ask for. Also, always having to be the initiator and having that expectation placed on you can be draining. Women might think "why don't any men approach me?" yet from a mans pov we have no idea if you are open to it, a bitch, married, working/busy, or actually interested, it's really just a pull of the card. But i agree with you that these frameworks like The Red Queen, Orion Taraban (psychhacks) and others are wildly cartoonish and play on mens insecurities. The core theme plays on the insecurity "you're not man enough", although women can be pretty brutal about it irl, i hear lots of women complain in bali about how feminine the men are here and it kinda proves what those authors are saying. In those books/frameworks, there is some truth in it, but it doesn't account for what i would call "actual love". They try to just reduce everything down to evolution or psychology. Yeah, i'd say couples irl cannot be reduced down to heady models like that, there is something more human and simple about it. But there is still some truth in the models, it's just not the whole picture, so i'm fine taking in different perspectives as i learn and i want no stone unturned even the red pill sexual evolution stuff. I don't want to get locked into any one model or way of seeing this multifaceted complex domain.

That's true, but honestly, given how pathetic and dire the situation has become it's better men do this than just sit at home and jack off in solitude. I agree, being a pick up psycho is not the healthiest option and can easily go down a bad road, but it's better than isolation.

What is the Gen Z stare? That made me laugh But that's kinda what youre saying when you say any guy who learns attraction or dating skills is "undesirable as a person" It's not so easy, especially for some guys, to learn those skills, even if they are cool and kind guys Even the most developed man on the planet can sit at a bar in los angeles alone and can sit there all night alone without one woman approaching him. They have no clue that is he is a great guy (unless he is famous) so he has to start from complete scratch with every woman, as they immediately are skepetical of any new man. People say social circle but i don't think that's viable. It's too limited and the stakes are quite high. Learning attraction that you can implement anywhere is superior.

That's true, and i blame The Red Queen book for mostly brainwashing me with that framework. I do think there is some truth there but it's not neccesarily high status and rich. It's something else, but what that something else is changes for every woman depending on her values, environment, social circle, but there still is sorta filtering of "this guy is low value in our eyes, this guy is high value" which is mostly agreed upon by the women in that group. A Stage orange woman will find a stage green man too feminine but maybe a stage green woman will see him as highly desirable. And if the guy is really locked in to female attraction he can go to a stage orange envirnoment and still do well. Because there are core pillars of attraction that transcend levels of development. But yeah, i'm open to being somewhat wrong. Honestly i hope i am, that would be more fair if women and men of all types of looks could find their match and find love, regardless of what they look like. I just think it's unwise to devalue how much men truly care about physical beauty and that most men optimize their lives to land a beautiful woman. And to say "uglier women have an advantage in the dating market", is a slap in the face to the millions of ugly women who are truly struggling out there regardless of how high self esteem, intelligent or independent they are becuase they are valued less solely because of their looks. A man will only open an intimate relationship container if he feels attraction, which is why i said earlier, if a guy is going for an ugly woman it's not like he's doing that out of great character or because he likes her personality so much , it's much more likely that he just has no other options, or relative to what he can get, she is beautiful. From there if the personalities click, then great. Also, if your theory was true, most women would wisen up and gain 300 pounds, so they could enjoy the advantage of being less attractive.

I think it's about developing yourself into a great person, then having the attraction skills to at least get your foot in the door. Really it's mostly just a few low hanging fruits for some guys. But even if they have developed themselves with great character but cannot escalate physically, hold eye contact, and just know some of the basics of female psychology then they will struggle with dating more than they need to. I feel like you aren't really appreciating how for many guys, if they don't take care of this head on, they remain celibate.

It's important to learn the basics, the problem is most of the material out there is garbage and not correct. It's always been a cat and mouse dynamic, and these factors have always been going on unconsciously. What "Game" and "attraction theory" are doing is bringing it to the conscious mind. consider; that just like birds have a mating sequence and ritual, so do humans, and it would benefit men to know those "mating dance steps" That said, men can and do absolutely abuse this dynamic just to get what they want, which is where something like sexual ethics would come in. But being dangerous in your attraction skills is much better than be a fumbling high school goofball who "might just get so lucky to have a date with Cindy Loo" Also this video reminds me of what you were saying about the dating market (although i slightly disagree, as independent as we might become we have not transcended needing feminine or masculine companionship and it's wise not to think you're above this):

Losing our connection to normal, daily socialization has really been the downfall of people. Especially the ones growing up without socializing, i can't imagine how unhealthy that is for one's mind. Interesting post, but what do you mean by this?

If the whole thing on women wanting a guy uglier than them is true, then that means looksmaxxing and men obsessing over their looks is actually backfiring which i find low key hilarious.

The flakiness is annoying but i feel like that's nothing new, especially for women. I find the delicacy of the attraction process to be wildly annoying because the smallest mistep will sabotage the process, especially if you are talking about women who have a lot of options and attention. With an uglier woman there is more wiggle room for fucking ups. But then all again, all the more reason to culitvate mastery and have fun with it I guess.

That's true and it's important to acknowledge these very real factors. It's never been harder to date and mate. However, in my eyes, that makes learning attraction all the more important. Most of my female friends have pretty much fully opted out of casual sex or even dating, or have serious avoidant tendencies- beautiful young women, who haven't had intimacy in sometimes 1 year+. So it's like the Red Queen effect (if you are familiar with that) but you have to just keep up with the changing times and environment (or you don't get sex) and to me that means really understanding and implementing attraction skills. This month alone I exchanged sexual energy with 3 very beautiful women, women who get 2/3 approaches per day, one was a model. I don't share that to brag but to mention that had i not studied deeper levels of attraction theory , this might not have happened. Personally, i realized many low hanging fruits that i had while studying attraction (and going out into the feild) in the last 4 months, helped me fix those. It's definitely not as simple as "just go socialize more" But yeah if you just sit around theorizing it will get you nowhere i agree. Again, i don't see the problem here, it's making men develop past just being mysognistic losers that women have to put up with because they have no other choice. I see it as a welcomed challenge to better myself to a point that a woman chooses me not because she needs me like some 1950s desperate housewife, but because she chooses for me my qualities and development. It's a double edged sword though because these days you truly have be outstanding to get consistent success with women, and many men don't have the time energy and money to do that level of inner work.