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@The0Self Are you fucking serious? AHAHAHAAHAH

@Karmadhi you are absolutely correct, thanks.

@Nahm perfect explanation thank you! @The0Self thank you for your reply. I also think that sometimes the ego is not ready for awakening in fact, there are cases when it happends out of the blue and the person resists it and it's hell. What do you think?

@The0Self does depersonalization include experience of no free will? I believe i have gone through something similar or i have experienced no-self. one of the 2. I felt that thoughts were not mine, as well as actions or decisions. I wrote in my diary this when it happened: "i feel that my past doesn't exist or that im not real" i didn't know much about spirituality, i didn't care. I saw the past like images, thoughts and sensations happening in the now. It was quite traumatic in fact i resisted it in evey way i could. i went to school and eveybody never knew what was happening because on the outside i was the same as before to eveybody. How can i know if i experienced depersonalization or no-self? i probably has some insight or awakening there

@The0Self If there is no one left then yes, it's too late... Depersonalization? Do you consider depersonalization one of the steps to enlightenment? can you elaborate on that? And in your opinion what's the difference?

@LfcCharlie4 hey, thank you for you long and detailed carefull reply. Yes i also think that jim newman should awaken to some kind of love because it sounds cold. You are right in this regard, maybe i don't know him that much, but i just intended to say that they offer hope to the individual. This is key because newman's message charatteristic is that there is no hope. Wouldn't this be a kind of hope for the individual? That awareness is the fabbric of existence so all is good? Why you make distinctions between existence and all that is? (could you explain it a little bit further if it was so, or maybe you meant they are the same thing.I know bashar made that distinction one time.) Also very interestingly: If an individual has hope, he would be attached to the hope meaning he won't let himself go and surrender because he will expect something wonderfull to happen with enlightenment. Isn't this an obstacle to the realization of reality, and enlightenment? Rupert spira is all about peace and happiness while jim newman is about NO HOPE. And nobody to find it. How can you say they are the same?

How can you compare what jim enwman says with others? Jim newman speaks only because other's ask him to, as he says, it's a response. Not because he wants to (as i know). His is a non message and does not even aknowledge somebody, let alone somebody to help. All those others you mentioned like matt khan and francis lucille all offer A HOPE and a solution to the problems of the individual. And maybe even a path to awakening which jim says there is no path, because to say that it implies separation already. And somebody who can get there. His message, trust me, it is not to help somebody otherwise i think he would be more compassionate and less cold. And he, like tony parsons, refuses totally to compare the message with others even if seemingly "similar". What do you think about him?

i would agree with leo here

if everybody would be like this, then it is like nothing would change. Think about it. other people would think about other people the same.

yup.

@afy355 You see, make sure to have a really intimate relationship with somebody where you can actually say what you feel without being judged, but being welcomed. Idealy that person should mirror what you feel back to you and stay present. Not feeling your body is a major sign of trauma. Interpersonal trauma is healed through relationships.

@Preety_India Thank you, i really appreciate it

I started at your age and im 21 now. I haven't been able to say this. I have negative emotions everyday so you are probably more lucky. Are you actually working on finding honest and authentic relationships? In my journey what i found was that, all that umbearable depression, a big component of it, other than the porn addiction, was simply loneliness. You know, that kind of loneliness that you feel even when you are around everybody. Deep emotional connection.

@levani I have the same problem. Im aware that it's a trauma from the past.

I had experience similar to this. I would say, first thing you do, you open up and talk to somebody and cry it to them. The pain is too much sometimes, you need support. Secondo, i would say that you actually, AFTER, you processed your pain and had the support of others, seek ways in which you are positive and valuable to other humans even if it's bullshit little things. That will stat to take a momentum of it's own and you will find a partner that really loves you. Also shadow work is fantastic for this sorts of things. You really have to look on to your past traumas because if you attracted a man like this is for some aspect of your's that you have repressed. Hope you'll be good I feel your pain.

@Loving Radiance It's complicated. It's not that i don't have any experience at all in regards to this and i can say awakening feels like going fucking insane and it's hell sometimes. But you are right. btw: is this really the actuallity of things? What kind of experiences do you have in regards to this?

Is it really possible? how? If you are enlightened, there still is suffering only you will pop out of the equation. Enlightenment= suffering plus you dying. Nobody wins.

Why is this in your opinion? I understand it might be for you, but why is this an advice you give to everybody? Also, im assuming you mean that you become enlightened without psychedelics.

I unconsciously started with the letting go method of lester levenson. Coupled with vipassana on thoughts and emotions. One day i did a strong determination sitting after shamanic breathing and no-self happened. (and btw scared the fuck out of me) It's just confusing because some people say there is no causation to enlightenment and no-self realization but apparently, it happend this way... I find in my direct experience now that the letting go functions more effectively after no-self. But you have to go slowly because the "no free will experience" 24/h freaks you out and you have to "embody" it slowly. The brain rewires itself. Also, no-self itself can go deeper. In my experience. btw: Letting go works more effectively after no-self/enlightenment/awakening however you want to call it.

I resonate with this in the sense that there is a recognition here that the self is illusory. Thoughts and emotions are not "mine", they just happen. (as well as decisions thus free will) "I" live in a constant state of no free will. It has been very scary but now im learning to be comfortable with it... to let everything happen but it's with me 24/H. I just asked you because i just want to know if there is more and what to expect. This is basically vipassana.

What kind of meditation? Is it permanent for you? this realization? lived 24/h?

so there is no separation here, is this something you realize in your direct experience? if so how did you do it?

Is this what is meant by the phrase: "there is perception, but nothing is dependent upon perception" "There is the body, but nothing is dependent upon the body" What does this mean? Don't know if actually it's tha tim not english so i can't understand it but would you explain it further?

I don't know what you said here or even if it's true but this was fucking beautifull.