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Guys, i recognized i have a problem that i have to address otherwise is damaging my mental health. And that is constant overthinking. I am addicted. My mind can't stop. I live with mental fatigue everyday and i am so tired. Do you have that kind of problem? How did you solve it? I know mindfullness is one of the approaches, but are there other ways to deal with it?

@Truth Addict Shamanic breathing is very interesting. But i really don't know where to start ahaha. Do you have any books on the subject?

@Surfingthewave thank you I never tried psychedelics, but i will in the future for spiritual purposes. But for now, spirituality is not the main focus in my life.

Personally, i collected so much theory and world-views it's ridiculous. I am very open minded and like to always expand, go beyond. But i realized it's just too much. I did a post asking leo about this months ago. I was trying to do practical advance stuff but i was depressed with no friends. Leo told me to go do some friends because spirituallity should not be done in a place of misery. I think he is right. If you do not have a fairly decent life when your basic needs are met and you feel ok with yourself (without being depressed and suicidal) , studying complicated material it's completely useless. You have to watch some old self improvement videos, or follow very little principles every day that bring you result. If you are like me, and love deep topics which also are complicated stuff, start a new hobby that requires you to think. For example, i started studying chess. It is perfect for me. It is very complicated, there are tons of ways of reaching the same goal, you can expand in 100 different ways and man, i just love it. So i train chess, so i can study something which involves theory, and when it comes to self improvement, i focus on basic actionable principles. This is just me tho.

Which is the most valuable persuit? Why creating a meaningfull life often seems to take us away from happines? Or more precisely, why does it feel that it is taking us to hell? How can we find true meaning on the darkest times? How can we practically live a meaningfull life, on the midst of our darkest times? When meaning seems to be lost? Pick 1 or more questions, and lets debate

I am experiencing an ego backlash now. It's not fun. I want to die. Fuck this shit. I push myself too far. I don't know how to love myself. Well, i hate myself. But still. the fact that it has happened in the past and gone through that gives me a little bit of relief at least. Im learning from my mistakes. Even though i kinda feel hopeless right now. It feels like it is going to be like this forever. What if i actually have not improved? I feel like i am the same person i was 3 months ago, when i started. It feels like wasting time. A lot of doubts. So yeah, i know how it works man. BUT still, i have faith.

Of course but calling yourself stupid or unworthy just because you stepped in the wrong direction, or worse saying that the thorn is unnecessary is just making you stay in pain longer and adding more layers to it. of course remove it, try 1 time, if it does not work, try again. Even if it's painful, you will remove the thorn. And then start looking where you are stepping by knowing that life gave you a lesson. If you call it unnecessary, or loose hope for the future, chances are you are doing the same mistakes over and over again without realizing. You are stepping in all sorts of shitty places and continuously condemning yourself for it. You take thorns off hating yourself and then 1 hour later here we go again, same thorn on the same foot. Of course you are going to hate yourself and feel hopeless, feeling like life is shit. But one who is improving feels that life is getting better and knows how the game works.

Why do you label it "Unnecessary"? If you want to introduce further resistance and prolong it, go ahead.

this is a very interesting topic!

Thank you @Leo Gura!

I am studying teachings of teal swan. She focuses on understanding parts of yourself and what they need, so i find it helpful since i am broadening my perspective on spirituality, and understanding my self. Self awareness. We recognize a need, that we can't meet outside. We get hurt. Through path of spirituality, somehow we learn that the answers are inside of us, so we "turn" inwards, and try to meet the need by ourselves, or try to not need what we need. But some needs we can't meet by ourselves, like the need for connection or intimacy. We get dissapointed by people so we fear meeting our needs through them, this is why we isolate. Other people are just a part of ourselves, so we are actually meeting a need by ourselves. If everything is us, then the only way to find oneness is by others. Right? Now this confuses me, is this in contradiction to leo's teaching? If i am god, i am alone. Period. And if i am god, i should be able to meet my needs by myself. I am capable of everything, so if i decide that i can meed my needs by myself, i should be capable of this. The only one who decides is me. But still, i have no real friendships in my life. And i feel the need to connect with others and co create. Turning inwards and facing the loneliness, am i headed in the wrong direction?

Oh damnit... that's right! Allright then. But since i am at the beginnin of my spiritual journey (I think it's been 2 months), i think i should create new connections and friendships, instead of facing immediatly,my loneliness or unworthiness, internally. Is this a good place to start from? Or do you raccomend something else based on your experience? I just feel like i am taking giant steps!

introverts get their energy by being on themselves, extroverts by being in social contexts. This does not mean that introverts cannot be social. Those 2 are personality traits not intelligence traits. So, the introvert displays this trait in some context, the extroverts in others. You have to develop a balance between the 2.

AHAHAHHAHAHA you are awesome

Thank you @bejapuskas. Yes we are all in this toghether. I wish all good things for you in life, from the bottom of my heart.

yes, im aware that it sounded like i was devaluing your story, so i apologise for that.

A lot of pessimism here guys. A lot. Who cares if it's better to be enlightened or to be able to fuck 50 girls because you have good genetics? To me, the only fact that you are alive it's a miracle. If you see this life as an excuse to be miserable, unworthy, unlovable,hopeless, maybe you have depression. So it's another issue. @Mikael89

I don't really think that enlightenment can make you happy. To me, it's the process that gives meaning. If i one day will become enlightened, it's allright, maybe continouing i will discover what a precious thing it is, and i will start truly reaching it. Are you really following this journey? What point of this journey have you reached?

I don't think this can justify your critics. By critics i mean the "Manipulation theory" or "Coping mecchanism". It's like saying that i turned eating healthy foods because i didn't like sweeties and shit because it could be dangerous and i might die. Well, maybe i prefered healthy foods. If this is still a coping mecchanism to you, im not going to debate with you anymore.

I don't find that comment usefull. Please give me some reference to debate and understand your point of view. (i haven't fully read the previous posts)

Well i guess i have to disagree here. Comparing your instincts to happiness is such a classical mistake. I don't know about you, but i'd rather discover my true self, achieve my full potential, contribute to the world, then going and fucking 50 sluts like a primitive animal and then DYING.

it sounds a better option to me either. But you can get into this work AND still get girls and have positive,fun experiences. You are over emphasizing this meaningful work, only because you did not get through all the pain and the shit that we have gone through. For somebody with this backround, as soon as he is introduced here, he does put zero to little attention to this work you are talking about. He does not know shit, have 0 experiences. And to leave your past, and to go in a different direction is HARD AS FUCK. So yes, it's easy for you to talk.

Did you know that he was mentally imbalanced? Many thinks that he was ill, same for many leaders. Well, if you tryied option 1, you come by a really bad place man... i wish all good things to you.

The best leaders in the world were fucked up genetically. Think of hitler and his mental instability. Napoleon,lincoln etc. I know how it feels to be stuck in this kind of worldview. It's terrible. Im not good looking at all, i have blamed my success in dating to this fact. I went up and approached for many times (Incorrecty. Even my good looking friend is months that he is approaching still can't get results, lol) And yes, i followed black pill, which made me even more depressed. Finally i gave up. If there is nothing i can do about it, im not going to be doing anything about it. Basically for me, the choices were 2: 1: I kill myself. I cannot improve myself anymore through game, i can't reach my goals,can't get girls etc... 2: I just surrender and move on. There can exist a way to handle and to let go of the pain. I don't know if there is, but i hope so. Now, of course i am still improving myself, but the work im doing now is more profound. Is this a way to cope? Who gives a fuck. It's a way to cope in your poing of view. In mine, i just made another decision on how to approach life. @themovement

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