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I completely agree, thank you

@fridjonk Yeah it could be. For now, let's embrace this me and love it and live this silly life. Those stuff will come later. You could be right about the words, and i do think they are just pointers. And definetly direct experience is king. Don't worry, we can debate and i can be skeptical how you want. But i will always set aside what results out of this conversations, not as truth, but as an option. Because i truly don' know and this is my path and my path only. Nobody can tell me. Because of my crazy open mindedness, be prepared as i might begin throwing at you silly ideas that you never heard before But i am just playing. Direct experience is another thing.

@Eren Eeager How do you know? You are in the wrong place. Your job is to fight titans. joking

You know what's funny? I don't know either But only because everybody seems to think differently of me here, and i never had any mystical experiences or something like that. Other than an episode of depersonalization.

Ahahaha, im very ignorant but thanks

Now that i think about it, you could be entirely right. yet, maybe using words such as love, and consciousness, pretends to describe reality, which is indescribable. So one could say you are actually further away from the truth. (If there is a truth to get, to begin with) Is there a pun intended?

@fridjonk Uhm... who knows. But love is just a story in the illusion, they would say. I think they would say that reality is unconditional love because it has to be so, because it can not not be itself (Reality can't be nothing else so there you go, unconditional love). not because love is a fantastic and beautifull emotion which serves a purpose of some kind. I think those teachings are more raw and definetly less ego pleasing, In fact, there is nothing there for the ego. The ego is trying to put meaning to everything and maybe when talking about the nature of reality, people can fall pray into that and transform this into a comfortable story for the ego.

@fridjonk Actually, you don't really know that. You actually don't know what you are talking about, (according to those teachings.) Feelings are just something that happens, are just an illusion. (According to them)

What they are also saying, is that nobody is there to recognize it. So, actually, the whole enlightenment thing is a fairy tail. Because it's just another story, another experience, for the "me", to grab hold on, to make sense of reality. There is no such thing as enlightenment,according to them.

@fridjonk You can be right, who knows. I don't trust anybody anymore. Otherwise i would get stuck and move nowhere. It's better to live life in ignorance choosing to do so sometimes.

@fridjonk I most likely agree with you. I have been aware of his teachings for months and he seems to ignore facets of the infinite. But again, maybe he got it.

@VeganAwake I don't know if i should believe if jim newman got everything right or if everything wrong. Saying just the same things over and over again to me seems like brainwashing people.

Yes yes, i get you! But think about that, if he had remained in that state he would believe to be immortal right now.

Be aware jim newman for example which is a non duality teacher does not believe this. I am aware that there is many degrees of awakening. How do you know if he has had a more profound awakening than leo's and has discovered the truth further? That ultimately reality its not this big love that you are talking about.

Maybe he clearly experienced what leo is talking about. That everything is ultimately imagination and he turned his into reality such that he lost his hands when he came back in the real world. I mean, only a god could do this. Could this be it?

@fridjonk I don't believe they are enlightened 24/7. Jim newman and tony parsons for example. They speak just words. I don't think all non dual teachers have had direct experiences. And i don't believe a human being can be in an enlightened state 24/7 .

How old are you? @korbes You seem pretty young. Because i am young and i have a hard time since i heard all of this teachings. But i am realizing more and more that this kind of work is another thing. If you are incredibly open minded like me and always curious to explore, actually, realize this will lead you not in so good territory. Leo is convincing? Why leo? Why not others? Have you studied the perspective of others? What makes you believe more in leo then other teachers? For me, it was the passion he has. He sometimes really gets vulnerable in front of the camera, and i feel him. Since i always had a passion for life, i resonated with him for this reason. But this teaching is so advanced, i think you should consider doing it after 10 years. My advice to you, is delete his subscription to the channel. Don't follow his videos and the forum. Otherwise, what he says will always be ringing in your mind and it will distract you from what is most important. Your life and your personal development. Build up your sense of self and develop a passion and a love for life. Don't listen to people here who say it's pointless and other bullshits like that. You don't know that. You only think you do. In fact, you can always persue enlightenment later in life. Maybe 20 years later, if leo has done it, you can do it. There are psychedelics around and in the future even more info will be accessible. It's not that if you don't grasp the absolute truth, you can't enjoy life. In fact, it's the other way around. Absolute truth has no relevance in your life. Really. People here talk about infinity,god,love. (And yet, they shit, they get depressed and have negative emotions too. Do you really think that leo doesn't suffer? Do you really think he wakes up everyday in orgasm? NO!) If you come to their face and you spit in their face, they will get mad too, because they are humans. Knowing all those things does not make them better. And if we all die and realize we are god, then you see, another reason to get that we are all on the same boat and nobody is special.

@DreamScape Your profile picture is very beautiful

So, i've had an experience of depersonalization quite a while ago, when i clearly saw every single reaction was not coming from "me". I died inside, i had no fucking identity as i completely saw my past as an illusion of my mind. I was living in a present of hell. No free will. My question regards to no free will and the complications that go along with that. Leo said that the ego does not have free will but "you" god does. (I haven't experienced god, im not aware that i am it so, for me it could be just a fairy tail until i try it for myself) I am asking myself, even in relation to my journey, since i saw that the results i got it's not me that did it, it was kinda done for me. This is freaking me out,since i built a story in my head around that and now collapses. I have serious questions that i want you to consider and please avoid simplistic answers... Mainly for leo (If you are reading this), but of course everybody is appreciated. - Do you realize everything you have done so far it's god that walked you through the path? Does this make you feel blessed? - What if your life slowly starts to become miserable? How would you feel about that knowing it's destined to be so for you? What would you think about god now? - What about other people (People in misery, starving, or mentali ill, etc..) who don't know about god, why did god choose to be so, and lead them through a miserable life? - If you tell those people god is love, are they going to spit in your face? - What if you tell those people they don't even have control over what is happening, so if they can't get out of debt for example, it's god's will. If you are starving to death in africa, it's god's will. And they cannot do anything about it. My debate is that i just don't see how the love of god fits in this. If god loves you, why the fuck would he (or it) choose to have a horrific life for you knowing that you will be alone down here and you will never,ever have the power to change things. I don't have a horrible life. Im not depressed or anything. but i fear for the future because i fear that even though god might have blessed me until now, making me so open minded and exposing me to those king of informations which are going to change my life, it also can turn around and if i find myself in a life of misery i would know i can't do anything about it. (of course "i" would try to do something about it, but it's not working, every atempt is predestined, etc. etc. etc.) Hope you understood, thanks.

thank you for you words nahm, really appreciated

What is this man? This is not even possible! Unless you mean daydreaming of course. ahaaha

Yeah dreams can be crazy. I have dreamt of waking up continuously and i kept thinking everytime i woke up that i really did. Yet i would wake up another time after that. Until i really woke up and i recognized it all was just a dream. Pretty fkin cool

I don't know wtf ur talking about

@Kindle He is in retreat for now. I hope he does that video on free wil

How many awakenings has jim newman and tony parsons had? @VeganAwake