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I dispute that claim! Trump is too big to fail. Just kidding. But I'm not so sure yet about who will win.

Florida has a very accurate voting system.

@Rilles Yes, you may be correct, that for example Trump doesn't have to do much and is handed reports, strategies and even speeches made by large teams of experts. So I could be wrong.

@Etherial Cat Of course, at the level of operation Biden is Orange and Green. But running the U.S. government is vastly more complex than running one's personal everyday life.

@vibv True, no country is hardly even at stage Yellow. But my idea is that the leaders of nations need to be way above the level of the nations themselves. There is a surface level presentation and another level behind the public scene. We can mostly only judge by the surface appearance, so it's just my own speculation I admit.

@Rilles It's the level of politics I'm thinking of. Running the entire U.S. government is a huge operation. It may seem easy, but we only see the surface presentation of it. It's similar to how I believe Sadhguru is at stage Turquoise with an ability to teach nonduality to huge and basically mainstream audiences. Sadhguru makes is look easy and he even said that for him it is easy. It would hardly be easy for someone at the first tier level of Spiral Dynamics.

@Rilles I say (guess) that Biden may be at Turquoise. Because to grasp and manage politics at that level is an incredibly complicated task.

How can I believe that Biden may be at stage Turquoise in Spiral Dynamics when he appears to be more like mean Green vMeme level? Because he needs to play that role, or most people wouldn't grasp or support him. The same with Trump who needs to make people at stage Red, Blue and Orange understand and support him. That's a monumental task. How to say "I love China" to people at those stages and still get away with it? Lol.

@The Don It's a tough situation between the U.S. and China at the moment, but Trump has in the past said he loves Xi while at the same time criticizing China's practices.

Has Biden said that he loves China? It's more than just a funny statement I think. It's an ability to transcend and include conflict.

Notice that the networks have NOT declared victory yet. My amateur estimation of the reason for that is that the provisional votes, and there are lots of them, in this election will massively go to Trump. And that includes mail ballots that have been handed in personally instead of posted. And then that means that Biden winning the post votes now has been boosted by those provisional mail votes NOT being included. Many provisional votes will be counted last.

I listened to Trump's vote counting speech. He said that in Pennsylvania they are counting ballots that come in three days after the election day, without postmarks. So that's a valid accusation I think. As I understand it, there needs to be a postmark showing that the ballot has been posted no later than the election day.

Yes, actually it sounds really outrageous. Interesting court case. If they even can take it to court.

@abrakamowse Oh! So that's the fraud claim then. The whole Trump administration claims that there are unsolicited ballots, and it's up to them to prove that in court.

@abrakamowse But can't unsolicited ballots be misused? Otherwise I can't see what the problem is. @Consept I will give Trump the benefit of the doubt for a while, but if no valid evidence is presented I will support Biden.

@abrakamowse I now found what Trump meant by "tens of millions of ballots" that were sent. Could it be those he mean by votes that "came in late"?

Trump talked in his first speech after the election about fraud on the American public. Of course he has yet to present any substantial evidence, but I think it's a matter of interpretation what Trump meant by votes that "came in late". And he said in your quote "we" are looking to them very strongly. That's a lot of lawyers who know the law.

@abrakamowse But is that what Trump meant? I interpret it as he is saying that voting fraud is illegal.

First I laughed but then I checked the source. It's from the official Donald J Trump YouTube channel! Is it a spoof? Biden did say (could have been taken out of context or Biden misspeaking): "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics." Or it's like the DEA, drug enforcement administration, not drug prevention agency, lol. So in that case by Biden saying "voter fraud organization" he meant voter fraud prevention organization.

There are provisional ballots in Pennsylvania: I guess that could be a lot of Republican votes!

Fox News is reporting some reports about fraud, but it seems to be minor things, nothing like the scale Trump has implied. I will listen some more to Fox News to see if they come up with something more substantial. ABC News, CBS News and the other big networks will also report substantial evidence but Fox News will probably be first. Or there will be no major evidence at all! And then Trump will have a hard time.

@Peter-Andre Yes, there is that danger too. So Trump might increase the divide instead of reducing it. Trump needs to present evidence for his fraud accusations. Even top politicians in other countries are concerned it seems. Not one of these Russian politicians though, who instead talks about getting popcorn, hahahah.