Anderz

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  1. Bruce Lipton described how our identity as an individual on a biological level is on the surface of the cells in the form of something called self receptors on the membrane of the cells. That's why the body rejects foreign tissue and that for example they need to weaken the immune system when they do organ transplants. Lipton also briefly mentioned that in a fractal evolutionary way there is a self receptor for the whole human being in relation to the entire planet as an organism. I believe that the global self receptor activates when the ego is transformed in a person. When we are in ego consciousness we are like separate cells in the bigger organism of the whole planet. And when the ego is transcended (and included) we connect to planet earth as one giant organism. It's a bit tricky to try to figure out what will happen because the shift into the higher planetary organism is like the difference in awareness between a single cell in the body compared to the whole human being. It's a gigantic evolutionary leap.
  2. Hey! Could it be that the enlightened people are the very few first imaginal "cells" starting to form the world "butterfly"? That would make sense. I may have mentioned something similar before but it just hit me that the reason for lack of emerging collective oneness is because there are still only a few enlightened individuals. People like Mooji and Byron Katie are examples of the very few enlightened people on earth, and the reason for why they don't talk much about an emerging new state for humanity is that they have to talk to all of us billions of people who are still in ego consciousness. So it's a very slow process at first. Thousands of years ago there were only one or two enlightened people, such as Gautama Buddha. And still today there may be only a few enlightened people. Leo mentioned some actual number. I wrote in some earlier post that the number of enlightened people over time being an exponentially accelerating process. I still think that's true, which means that the progress today is much, much faster than a thousand years ago. And the progress today is probably much much faster than say only one decade ago! That's the nature of exponential growth; it starts very slowly and then speeds up more and more until it reaches enormous speed near the end of the process (when it has a limit).
  3. Then what about spiritual enlightenment, isn't that a realization of oneness? Probably so, but imagine being one of only a handful of enlightened people on earth. The enlightened person will experience oneness with reality, but the whole planet is still filled with separate egos. That's different than oneness through the new emerging first order planetary holon where people will become a wholeness collectively and not just a few separate enlightened people.
  4. The ego is very powerful at managing separations. So the ego can own money. The ego can even "own" a spouse through a marriage licence. The ego is a second order holon formed by the global ego. The ability to separate things is of course valuable and useful, or we would all be some undifferentiated blur. The problem is that when we completely identify ourselves with being the ego, our whole sense of self becomes locked up within the second order holon construct of separations. That's a false foundation and the actual foundation is the first order holon level. One idea I have is that when the ego is transcended it will be into the larger first order global holon that is emerging. So it will not be a regression back to a simple state of oneness without ego on the level of the individual human being. The ability to separate things will remain but from a foundation of oneness. The ego has no foundation of oneness so it experiences itself as alone and separate. There IS a foundation of wholeness that the ego has, which is reality itself, but the ego can't recognize it as a supporting foundation because that requires the formation of the larger first order world "butterfly" holon.
  5. Mainstream science agrees that the world is made up of only atoms. And all atoms are connected together with quantum mechanics, scientists agree. But what other things and connections are there? Where is my ego for example? And where is my money? Here scientists must admit, if they are honest, that things like ego and money are just fabricated things and connections without any actual boundaries. Therefore there is no separate me and no separate money. You don't own any money. Nobody does. Because money is not some separate objects. Money is a whole interconnected construct, a second order holon within the global ego. A one dollar bill for example, can be seen as a second order holon within the larger holon of the USD currency. And it's impossible to take the dollar bill out of the overall USD currency and still call it one dollar. And in turn the USD currency is a construct that is not separate but interconnected with all kinds of things in society. So a separate ego cannot own the one dollar bill as a separate object. Because there are no actual separations between objects.
  6. With the integral principle, even the sense of personal control will be transcend and include. So there will still be a sense of having personal control but it will be experienced from a bigger first order holon perspective that includes the control of the totality. That's totally different than the psychological disorder of depersonalization I posted about earlier, where the person experiences his or her life playing out as if it was a movie.
  7. It's only the belief in separate control that needs to be dropped from the ego. Then, presto! Enlightenment. The dropping of the belief in personal control allows the first order holon of humanity to emerge. Beliefs are not only on an intellectual and conscious level but much more heavily ingrained in the subconscious. So to "just" drop the belief in personal control is in practice a huge change.
  8. The integral principle, such as described by Ken Wilber is true for holons it seems. So then the imaginal people will transcend and include their egos. In practice I think it means that they will feel as one with all other imaginal people and yet still as individuals in a both/and integral way instead of either/or such as one with others or as only individual.
  9. I will still follow what happens in politics which of course has purpose on the level of the global ego. Purpose is tricky to define. What is the purpose of life? The biggest level I can think of is that purpose is generated by the process of reality reaching higher levels of holons. Since the holons build on previous holons, that gives the previous holons purpose. And even second order holons, such as governments, have purpose in relation to the larger global ego, but since that has a false foundation it's a fake kind of purpose seen from a larger first order holon perspective.
  10. Politics itself has no purpose but there is a purpose behind what makes politics appear. That purpose is the so-called fall of humanity, a deliberate cosmic trick of making us believe that we are separate and believe that there is such a thing as separate control. There isn't. So why then the need for such colossal delusion? The purpose as I mentioned earlier is to generate uniqueness. The purpose of the ego, including the global ego, is to produce individual uniqueness. So the insane struggle of humanity throughout history has vast value even though, and actually because of, the illusion of separation. The fallen state of humanity is the caterpillar stage with us humans running around as egos. The next evolutionary stage is the butterfly stage of humanity described in previous posts. In the butterfly stage we will run around as imaginal selves. In the butterfly stage it is recognized that separate control is an illusion, including politics, so the global ego structures such as finance, laws, politics and calendar time will crumble to dust, or as the Bible says: the nations will be smashed to pieces like pottery hit with an iron rod. Actually calendar time may still exist, but play a secondary role, not the dominating role it has today. And some form of advanced regulations probably. And that too will of course be effects rather than separate causes or control structures.
  11. One path towards liberation is the realization of oneness of control. I'm still identified as a separate ego, but I can see that my own state is false! It's like a person watching a sunset believing that the sun is moving down below the horizon. What happens in reality is that the earth rotates which gives the appearance of the sun moving down below the horizon. The same oneness control that results in my actions is the same oneness control that makes the birds fly in the sky and that makes Donald Trump make his decisions. There isn't any separate entity, like separate people, doing anything or controlling anything. Not even the Pope or Hillary Clinton can do anything. Politics isn't controlling anything. I am not controlling anything. Nobody is controlling anything. We as oneness are doing everything.
  12. If reality is one wholeness then things such as politics, cars, people, iPhones and flowers are waves on the ocean of reality. The mistake the ego makes is to believe that objects are separate entities, including itself. With the belief in separate objects comes the belief in separate control. And with that a huge heap of false beliefs piles up for the ego about how reality works.
  13. Politics is an illusion of control. That's the same as for all global ego structures. The mistake is to believe that second order holons are created, such as a manufactured car. The car is actually an emergent phenomenon, just like the first order holons, such as a flower or a human being. From a limited perspective one can say that the purpose of the car is transportation. But because the perspective is limited it is also incomplete and therefore invalid seen from a larger perspective. To use a much simpler example, consider a piece of wood floating on a lake and the piece of wood is moving up and down on the surface of the lake. And the reason for the movement of the wood in this example is that someone threw a rock into the lake some moment earlier. From a limited perspective one can say that the purpose of the waves on the water caused by the rock hitting the surface of the lake is to move the piece of wood up and down. With this simple example we see how a limited perspective can give rise to a false conception of purpose.
  14. Actually, on a second thought, politics has zero meaning and purpose. Politics is a CONSEQUENCE not a cause. So we can safely dismiss all forms of politics as mere chimeras. Leo doesn't seem to have reached this level of understanding yet.
  15. Nobody can predict the future other than for simple things. It's way too complicated. Also, with the butterfly effect, even the tiniest event, such as a drop of rain falling on the ground can cause huge changes later on that can be vastly different depending on whether the drop hit the ground one nanometer to the left or to the right. That uncertainty, although deterministic, is caused when nonlinear systems are very sensitive to initial conditions. Therefore reality changes a lot all the time, sometimes is unpredictable ways. So when the ego is too firm in its plans or wants to know what to do in the future, that causes confusion because it's an impossible demand in many cases.
  16. Actually, Leo said something similar about how we didn't do anything in the past, something like that. So my idea is maybe not so radical that I first thought. Still, pretty incredible though. That I have never existed in an actual past separate from the now. And nobody has. Nobody has done anything. Ever. Mindblowing perspective.
  17. Another possibility I find interesting is that we can look at our own entire personal past as in Plato's cave allegory. Your whole past life is like a movie. And if you are identified as an ego, then you believe that the main character in the movie is you yourself! Total delusion! Complete madness, lol. That's an incredible perspective. I can potentially recognize my whole past as a movie, and the character I believed to be me doing this and that in the past is NOT me. The past is real, but there are no actual people in the past. For example, I did NOT post my previous post. That post and this post are a part of the "movie". And you did not do anything yesterday. You didn't even exist yesterday. Nobody did.
  18. Then what about politics and Donald Trump and so on, is that also like Plato's cave? Yes! But that can be interesting to follow. Just like how a movie can be interesting to watch. The outcome of the movie is already determined, such as Trump winning in 2020, but nobody knows exactly the full script so it will be very interesting to see what happens.
  19. Even with death as an illusion, the ego can still continue to grow old and die. The ego itself is an illusion. And the world is still very much dominated by the ego illusion. But we can start to recognize the illusion as a delusion and stop believing in it. For example I have started to believe that I will NOT die. If that's true it means that the whole world basically is in a deluded state. It's similar to Plato's cave allegory: "In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see. Here is an illustration of Plato’s Cave: Such prisoners would mistake appearance for reality. They would think the things they see on the wall (the shadows) were real; they would know nothing of the real causes of the shadows." - https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm
  20. Something puzzling I came to think about is that maybe death is an illusion. But what about all people who have died in the past? The answer is that nobody has died in the past because the past is timeless information in the now and only that. How can timeless information die? It can't! So death is a total illusion. And maybe thoughts like that are only puzzling to my ego. And when I grow into an "imaginal cell" instead of an "ego cell" what seemed puzzling to the ego will seem obvious and logical to the imaginal cell self.
  21. Transhumanists claim that they will be able to live forever with the use of things like biotech and nanotech. Ray Kurzweil, who doesn't like the term transhumanism, even said that our bodies will be made of computronium, physical matter that is intelligent and programmable, basically making our bodies able to shapeshift into any form. Could be possible! And very soon historically speaking, such as within this century, because of the accelerating progress of technology (Kurzweil has predicted a technological singularity in 2045). However, if the idea about a planetary organism emerging organically is correct, then transhumanism is the wrong way since it cements the global ego in place and what looks to us as incredible advancements are actually severe limitations compared to the planetary organism.
  22. Another thing with first order holon development is that since it's an organic growth it's nothing that we ourselves need to do. I don't have to convert myself from an "ego cell" to an "imaginal cell", even if I could. And yet another thing is that when we have grown organically into imaginal cells then we will still be able to interact with the ego cells, but the ego cells can only interact with us on the global ego level, not with us as a growing butterfly. That's pretty wild. I wonder what that will be like.
  23. Whoa, the global ego is a second order holon, that's the caterpillar stage. Then what about the butterfly state emerging? That's a FIRST order holon! At least if I have interpreted Bruce Lipton's fractal evolution correctly. Lipton talked about how cells formed our human bodies which then will form the next level in our evolution: a planetary organism. Notice organism, that's something grown by nature, that's a first order holon as opposed to say a government which is an artifact put together through external means, therefore a second order holon. In practice, then, what this means is that the butterfly stage will emerge, not through us using our iPhones to connect ego to ego, nor primarily through any other external means and technologies. Instead the butterfly stage begins with us individual humans transcending our egos and start to connect on a spiritual level one might say. Spiritual might sound a bit new agie, but it will be some form of connections via the vacuum energy that everything is made of.
  24. The other thing I mentioned is the removal of corruption on a global level. That will require one heck of a tight cooperation between nations. Even between the U.S. and China! And as it is currently there is the Great Firewall of China so the infrastructure of information technology today is inadequate probably for dealing with a global level cooperation against organized crime and corruption. Trump banning Huawei was then a way of allowing China to introduce a new kind of information infrastructure with Huawei as the leading initial player. That would result in a huge change in the world. It's a highly speculative idea, but I want to mention it in case it's correct, and then I will be able to say: told you so, haha.
  25. But aren't nations a part of the global ego and themselves collective egos? And if so, why would they cooperate on a global level? And even if it is beneficial for the nations to cooperate globally, how can the grand fractal evolutionary scheme of things guarantee to work? After all, look at the problems with international cooperation today. It's still somewhat of a mess and shaky, at least on the official public level. Egos, including collective egos such as nations, need opponents to fight against. And what opponents are there for the world as a whole? Marsians from outer space, or shapeshifting reptilians from constellation Draco? No, the opponents are the multinational corporations, some as big as nations. So the political leaders in nations need to cooperate in order to keep the multinational corporations in check. And even if that fails, I believe that there is a hidden galactic level control at the very top of the world power structure, maintaining the integrity of the global holon as a whole.