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I haven't finished watching Leo's video about survival, but what I've seen so far triggered this question. Maybe it's been asked before... the question itself is quite self-explanatory, if this was a dream and an illusion (as it is), only Truth was not infinite Goodness but something else entirely different, more akin to the Matrix (only worse), would you be pursuing it? Don't take the question too seriously though or then again, please do

@Rilles lol. Seriously, I laughed out loud

@Knock

I've already admitted that it was silly!

@Knock Haha fair enough! But in that case where does the argument for "the Truth for the Truth's sake" goes? That's what I was trying to get at

Me too. Completely ungrounded though, it's just a feeling. I could be dead wrong.

I feel like I need to explain what I meant in my original post. I don't usually write much, so maybe I didn't communicate it properly. This was supposed to be an exercise in imagination. Not to be mistaken for the reality we live in. I'm not making statements about what's True and what's not. What if there was a hidden Truth in the world? (so far it still resembles reality) What if you could Wake Up to that Truth? (still resembling reality) (and now let's part ways with reality) What if that Truth was something similar to the plot of the Matrix? (use your imagination now) The world is a simulation and when you Wake Up you realize that you are being kept alive for the purposes of being transformed into a battery (just like the Matrix). Unlike in the Matrix, you don't get to fight the machines and achieve peace. You Wake Up and you don't even get to leave the pod where your energy is being extracted, you just stay there forever in the agony of knowing that you are a slave forever. Would you then pursue Truth? That was my question. I know it's silly, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously but sometimes silly questions can also make us think.

@DrewNows There's worse things than death or non-existence.

With pick-up things are not black and white. There are very positive aspects to it, and they have been mentioned in the previous posts. I agree with much of what was said. I also think that there is a dark side to pick-up that you can fall into if you don't work on yourself, develop and grow. It is a man's job to initiate a relationship with a woman, it is what is expected. One can learn how to be better at that.

@Emerald Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

Well, but it's the ego that decides to find out the Truth, is it not? It's my ego that chooses to do all the practices every day.

@Shin I went through a dark night of the soul. Everything seemed pointless and grim. The kind of horrible I had in mind was much worse than that

@zeroISinfinity You make it sound easy which is appreciated, because most people make it sound extremely hard.

The only experience of ego death I've had was the most wonderful and blissful experience ever. The difficulty was to surrender. However, I freely admit that I don't know enough about it. But isn't immortality a step up from being a body-mind that slowly decays and dies? How is that horrible? There's definitely something that I'm missing here of course I understand that Truth is without meaning and we are the ones classifying it as good or bad.

@Pouya I think it means that the tree doesn't even fall down if no one is there to see it. There is no tree. Unless someone sees it.

Cool!

@Chumbimba I'm not an authority on relationships, so take this with a grain of salt. Why do you want to continue this relationship? She has lied to you, been with another guy (one that you are aware of), and has pretty much made it clear that once you are apart she will look for intimacy elsewhere because she won't be getting it from you. All I see is red flags. But maybe I'm missing something, this is just from what you wrote.

Agreed. I used to make assumptions about all women based on the women I had dated. I thought, because there were many of them, that I had a sufficient sample size to be able to draw conclusions. I was obviously wrong, precisely because of what you say here.

This is the last thing I'll tell you, ignore it at your own peril. If she has a lot of issues and you were so terribly attracted to her, that means YOU have a lot of issues. We are attracted to people at our own emotional level of development. I've been where you are now, not so long ago. You have inner work to do, man.

You're starting to get it. It really sounds like what you want is to establish a genuine connection with someone. What you need is an abundance of self-esteem, not abundance with women. You need to look within, take some time with it. You can start by reading this: http://therawness.com/reader_letters.pdf It will take time to heal, but the solution is not out there in the world of pickup artistry, it's in facing your own demons.

Absolutely. That's putting it mildly. I used to think like that too, just date more girls, have "abundance", that's what the pick-up jargon says. And it's true that it works to get you more sexual options. There's no arguing with that, pick-up will get a man laid if done correctly. But as you do that more and more it leads you further and further away from the possibility of developing a healthy relationship. I know because that happened to me. If what the OP wants is to get laid with many girls, by all means he can go ahead and take that advice, keep going to RSD and game girls. But if what the OP wants is a healthy relationship, he should start looking within into why he is always second guessing himself. What are the underlying issues that make him need "pick-up" skills? See, men who don't have psychological issues such as trauma or low self-esteem don't need to learn pick-up. The entire concept makes no sense to a well-rounded guy. "Why would I have to learn to attract women? I'm just the way I am and I naturally attract some women." Insecure guys go for pick-up because they don't have the inner confidence to attract women in the first place. It's this inner insecurity that needs to be addressed. OP needs to work on his self-esteem. Once that is sorted, he will stop agonizing about what he said wrong or what he didn't say to a particular girl.

I can't tell if you're joking, but that happens too! Just a lot less often One learns how to spot the "fakers".

This is sound advice!

@TheThingy It's the minimum duration. It means you skip whatever is optional and do the bare minimum for the "mandatory" techniques. It lasts you a lot longer because you're going for the maximum duration

@Flatworld Crusades Like @Shin said, be honest with guy 2, suggest a drink instead. Ditch the rest. Having said that, what guy 1 did girls do all the time. It's common practice