Danioover9000

IMO, even though he's born under the Chinese astrology with double dragon(year and month of the dragon, which means such a person is predisposed to higher selfishness, egotism, but drive and ambition) he is mature minded for his time, mature enough to see the value in mixing different martial arts together, as well as fitness. A pioneer ahead of his time.

@StarStruck So for others here, me included that have just heard about this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjFjd6Bs5WDAxWEU0EAHadWAyEQFnoECCEQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.investopedia.com%2Fterms%2Ff%2Ffiatmoney.asp%23%3A~%3Atext%3DKey%20Takeaways-%2CFiat%20money%20is%20a%20government%2Dissued%20currency%20that%20is%20not%2CU.S.%20dollar%2C%20are%20fiat%20currencies.&usg=AOvVaw0XUI8ubUdkRIl1H3taVn-V&opi=89978449 So that basically explains the concept of fiat money, so, given that we have established what fiat money is, typical examples in that link, we now have grounds to discuss and even argue out whether fiat money is definitionally a scam or not. I'll be on the side that is in favor for fiat money.

@StarStruck Steven Crowder? Now I'm worried for your GF.😁 First of all, what is this fiat? And why do you think it's a scam in the first place? And could you provide some articles or sources showing that fiat is a scam? Is it similar to an MLN or Ponzi scheme?

@Yimpa Is that the paid version above Chat GPT3? I'll have a read. I know I'm viewing this from an argumentative framing, but for the sake of both arguments for pro and con: Ethical considerations: 1. Originality and creativity: This point is actually the weakest to me in argument because origin is historical and close to philosophy, metaphysics and epistemology, which is prior context and background information for this specific issue. All this means in the context of A.I's ethical or unethical status, is that this issue raised questions of originality and creativity, just philosophical inquiry, again background noise for this argumentation. Because time, energy and attention is limited and getting more limited due to social media negative mind effects and predatory tech companies brain rotting Gen Z and beyond, we likely don't have time to be too abstract and philosophical when we really should ask ourselves, if A.I is unethical, and if our intuition is more correct in it's immoral use, why are we not arguing more for implementations to regulate this technology instead? That's like we're wasting time talking about the origins and creativity of a heist or fire burning wood, when we do have wooden houses burning and robbers robbing banks right in front of us. 2. Economic impact on Artists: Probably the most pressing issue here, in context. Reason being is there are some art professions out there negatively impacted and disrupted by A.I, and some companies are either too slow to adjust or are biased for cutting corners and bias for technocracy at the cost of an art profession losing quality and lives negatively impacted. Some artists don't recover from such a lose, even when few have many decades of expertise. Just take a look at the Japan economic market for manga, for say a couple of decades. Now imagine A.I art starting to take over that market, saturate the manga market even more, out perform mangakas, and undermine their ability to do meaningful paid labor work. What happens to the past paid workers when one thing replaces specific job positions and skills that the past workers find meaningful to do, and get paid for, and in the context of mangaka jobs which salary is middle low to lower class, barely affording them additional luxuries and merely living a hand to mouth existence? That's a soul crushing realization and obstacle for Japanese artists, who have sacrificed quite a bit to even get into the mangaka industry. And this is one specific example out of many worldwide. 3. Attribution and credit: 2nd important to economic impact. How do we know who or what gets credited, and attributed to art work? Credibility and attribution is important for pathos and reputation, credit and qualification, and even research. We can even make a hypothetical in the writing context, in that the book you've got from an author was fun, exciting and though provoking, and you found out such an author is in talks. You met this person even, had a chat, and moved on. Years go by, and you find out this charismatic, and charming author, was a scammer, and in fact the original writer was outside of public conventions or promotions and marketing events, and instead letting this charming person take all the credit and attribution that this secret introverted artist would have gained instead. This discovery has damaged the trust from fanbase, and trust from publishers and marketers of this book this charming individual attributed himself to be the writer. Do you see the reputational lose? Also, such a case has happened in history. 4. Bias and representation: Yes, bias and representation will also be an issue, but much less from the economic impact or the credit issue. Simply put, whoever's group and culture wins, and is in power, gets to decide bias and representation for themselves, the winners, over those underrepresented as the losers, and gets to propagate their winning ideology over the losing ideology, get to proliferate their ideologies, indoctrination, beliefs, their biases and preferences over the losing ones, based on many developmental factors. This world is 75% stage blue societies and culture, with 2nd being stage orange groups that also happen to be part of the top 5-1% of the elites of this pyramid. It's a similar issue, albeit different context, to problems of overrepresentation and misrepresentation, of a minority opinion and views being overrepresented as the norm when in fact it's the minor: now for the counter points: 1. New Forms of Creativity: AI can assist artists in exploring new forms and ideas, pushing the boundaries of creativity. It can be a tool for human artists, rather than a replacement. This point 1 assumes that A.I as a tool can assist artists to some extent and will not replace human artists, in particular their output and performance in drawing and artistry for the foreseeable future, and will not go outside the parameters of being a mere tool for human exploration of forms, ideas and new creativity. This is a faulty assumption because after an A.I program, like Deep blue for chess, or Alpha Go for Chinese Go, after the program is sufficiently trained on data sets of patterns and variables within say chess or Chinese Go rules and move sets in it's earlier training, will exponentially improve drastically that it can compete and outperform Grandmasters with decades of experience. Given the exponential growth, if A.I improves rapidly all of a sudden, becoming A.G.I or even the hypothesized super A.I, how long will this tool used by humans, be so superior that we end up as it's tools, or are replaced? 2. Accessibility: AI democratizes art creation, allowing those without traditional artistic training to express themselves creatively. Oh boy point 2 will be a controversial take for me. So, my position: democratization is a mixed bag, and depending on context too much can lower quality and cheapen quality and performance. Reason why is because if we look at many things that have been democratized too much, and we look at other outside and loosely connected contexts where feminism and egalitarianism and democracy as ideologies, in line with atheism and secularism degrading the moral foundations of a traditional family unit, of some traditional male/female roles in society, and negatively impacted birthrates, fertility and higher divorce rates via sexual liberation run amok, we can see that too much democratization with little regard for regulation can and always cheapens and lowers merit and quality. This also depends on how this democratization is carried out, and how its handled as opposed to laisse faire sexual liberation and freedom for all unconditionally, even though such radical freedom morally degrades and leads to hyper degeneration. For once capitalism, and even Neoliberalism and their principles holds true, not their ideological dogmas but the principle of quality and merit. Sure automation and the industrial revolution did a lot of good things, like make faster car productions and assembly lines, yet the cost is laying off of workers in some of those factory lines, and given their IQ distribution and how fixed IQ can be, means those laborers will on average struggle to get higher paying jobs or knowledge working types of work, and face fewer opportunities with higher automation. Combined with migrant workers and female workers competing for that same type of labor position, that already triples the difficulty of an employer hiring some employee when he can hire a cheaper one or install automation for productivity goals. 3. Educational Tool: AI art can be used for educational purposes, helping individuals learn about art styles, history, and techniques. IMO weakest point, although not to say for education purposes it's useful by itself as a past time, but for just educating and learning purposes. However, as a counter point and refutation in context to the livelihood, and economic impact artists can make? A counter to credibilty and attribution issues? It's lack luster. For example, If I argued the ethics of animal slaughter and whale hunting practices on the industrial level, and your counter point and refutation is 'for education and research purposes, because each whale hunted and killed is documented, it's insides accounted for, it's weight, and it's body parts sold as consumption, and fuel for indigenous people' to justify hunting and killing of whales at mass scale, then such an argument is very weak morally and ethically. It's another question of if the means justify the ends, with or without context, or even in light of counter evidence that suggest greater harm for greater efficiency. 4. Collaboration: AI can be viewed as a collaborative partner, where the human artist guides the AI to create something unique. This counter point is cute. Let me explain. This is basically a deep level of gaslighting and denial. Hypothetically, given the ethical qualms of A.I, and whether A.I is unethical, the guilty party in question is framed here, in this counter point, as a potential 'collaborator, which can be viewed as a collaborative partner, where the human artist guides the A.I to create something unique'. These are faulty assumptions. This is like if A.I's is guilty of rape, and we hold a trial and argue for both the prosecution and defendant, and the defense's rebuttal is to look at the victim, and reframes the rape and non-consensual sex as a rape fantasy, a roleplay, and since both parties are adults with some alcohol in their system, and you both verbally consented, especially you saying 'yes!' so excitedly, then there's no rape here, so view your rapist as a potential sex and love partner then. Or a lesser severe parallel is to review the thief that stole your work as a 'person in need, and also you just given him a gift of money and some clothes anyways, so you're actually helping the thief out.'. So in conclusion, while I liked the nonbiased answers from Chat GPT4, it's objective in it's take, it's answering for it's kind, it's answering for the potential ethical issue it's kind can be culpable of. So really, it may even be fronting an objective neutral framework but has deep hidden bias in favor of it's own kind flourishing even over humanity, while pretending to be unbiased and objective in it's language and answering. So unfortunately I'll have to grill Chat GPT some more, can't quite trust it's answers here.

Some good videos to watch and consider the negative impacts of A.I Art, A.I in general and how it impacts creators and how people think, behave, and feel: This is how a biased and preferential use of A.I looks, and how defensive and dogmatic a rationalist is rationalizing. Very reasonable take on the ethics of A.I art.

@Hojo So many faulty premises here. Assuming if a person worries about A.I taking your job means you are a paid mimic and not an artist, assuming an artist creates just because they like to create with no other ulterior motives or other developmental factors, assuming A.I cannot take your mind even though there's growing evidence that A.I are getting better at predicting your behavior and gathering your user biases and preferences and hyper tailoring and hyper curating content via algorithm to suit your biases and keep you hooked into their social media platforms, assuming anyone can see and differentiate A.I art from human art because it's not creative human art, and assuming only people who haven't developed their own style and mimic other styles will suffer, even though you and I were mimicking other artists, or others mimicking for study is essential development early on. In fact I'd argue that A.I art hurts beginners and novices with procrastination and laziness issues even more, like Gen Z being victimized by social media algorithms and Tik Tok like internet echo chambers, just by design of companies and engineers to grab your attention, hook it and maintain it quickly for convenience and efficiency, at the cost of rotting gen Z brains. And as time goes on, the negatives of the internet, social media addiction and mental health issues from A.I increase, we'll see fewer and fewer people with mid to long attention spans and unable to concentrate for just 10 minutes, or just 20 minutes to sit down and read a book, or focus on exercising or meditating. Even drawing is becoming a dying art, it'll eventually be so difficult to draw with pencil and paper. The future looks grim.

@Yimpa True self all the way!

Although this does undermine parts of my position, I find Ethen Backer entertaining, but he does make an interesting point when covering plagiarism: And the real issue in that context is saturation of market. Higher saturation means higher coincidences and synchronicities between 2 or more creator ideas and even formats, which can increase occurrences of piracy, plagiarism and copyright infringement of intellectual property, and fiar use issues. So, if we jump back to the A.I context and look at all the other fields A.I has positively but also negatively effected parts of a field, like chess, Chinese Go, A.I generated music(almost there with remixes, even Eminem's company filed DMCA of the cat version of Eminem's music), and currently with this A.I craze for better images, better music, for robots that carry bags, that can go fight wars, automation. Look at all that technological history of A.I to the other technological advancements not that comparable, and you'll see a patter of creation, disruption, and establishment into mass consciousness, and the cycle restarts at creation. We'll also see a pattern of recovery from disruptions, albeit some paid with their lives and livelihood short for each disruption. The most important question, especially concerning artists and professionals, is can we survive A.I disruptions, in comparison to other technological disruptions in the past?

@LSD-Rumi What are some of your suggestions for good blog design, and and coding in a better search feature?

Like this video is so triggering because one of the few threads I started here in this forum got locked for either low quality for simple questions, when I'm just inquiring about the video. Also started some bad relations with a few past mods like @Forestluv and past @Nahm from just that. It's amazing how that thumbnail triggers me back into memory lane I don't want to go to...

@CARDOZZO That video is so fucking triggering...

@EdgeGod900 Loyalty to TRUE, CONSCIOUSNESS, LOVE and, 'I DON'T KNOW.'. Also pyrrhonism.

@SeaMonster Yes, exactly the case. His online cult is leagues beyond this place, the doxing and dog piles and cyber bullying/harassments is on another level, especially against good faith critiques of Destiny. They really can't take criticism well.🤣

@Rafael Thundercat Can you rephrase that better? I don't know if this is directed at me or the OP or @Juan...

@Karmadhi Speaking of him:

@zazen True.

The problem here is not enough perspective taking, or going meta due to limiting beliefs and fears you have from your shadow selves you suppress. Try to be post modernist in your thinking and try to look at the world from the perspectives you don't like and find immoral. Try to understand and empathize with those kinds of worldviews for a week or a few months, just think, see, hear, and feel from their lens of this world. That way you understand the racist's, or rapist's, or other evil person's worldview, and out of love, not hate, you finally correct that worldview and resolve it in your mind and heart.

@Thought Art I know, I'll keep them in this section of the forum now. After this one I'll take a break and post other things not drama:

I think the following showcases Destiny's ability to persuade and convince, but also to converse and be intellectual: and

@Thought Art Destiny's best qualities are: Due to the developmental factors, I think he's a staunch stage orange values, with some green and yellow values specifically within debating and arguing when it comes to intellectually understanding the opposite ideology. He has to me a left brain hardwiring, plus within the autism spectrum/neuro divergent, which makes him cognitively process differently, but more categorical and literal thinking with some cognitive biases. I think his circle of concern, or moral development is modernism framed rather than post modernism, that he leans more moral absolutist than moral relativist depending on context and situations that benefit him he goes more moral objective, but situations that don't he fronts moral relativism. I think his personality typing/traits are the following: that he's open minded within arguing/debate frames, but in reality he's close minded, and is more conscientious than chaotic and loves organizing and planning logically, and given the live streams and live events he seems more introverted than extroverted, and 50/50 on the agreeable/disagreeable traits although I think that he's more disagreeable based on other contexts, and highly neurotic. I think he's also got the sociopathic traits and a few traits on psychopathy and manipulation, as well as narcissism in a spectrum. I think his Myers Briggs typing is the DEBATOR(ENTP-A) but with I increased as well given his autism. These personality traits inform how he thinks and feels, his cognition, morality and values. These personality defects also stem from his personal history with his family, father from America, Mother from Cuba, and a catholic background, and the trauma he received when his grandparent killed 3 puppies, one by one, in front of him. He also values rationality and logic, and resistant to expressing his emotions genuinely less but performatively most, given his chosen career path and financial sunk cost fallacy into being an online gamer/streamer/political commentator and debate bro for 12+ years, and prior years was him being a cleaner, and before that a casino staff member/manager which he was laid off, and before that a student pursuing a music career in university. In terms of Architypes and shadow work, there's a million just like everyone, but I think his shadow aspects are around femininity and some parts of masculinity. Especially given his recent situation of his open marriage and polyamorous relationship, maybe cheating by Melina for a man called John who looked way more feminine than Destiny, I think that actually really bothers and disturbs Destiny. Although he's expressing understanding of this situation, taking part blame of him unable to give Melina attention and care as much as she needs from the relationship, when he declares he doesn't care of her other partner I think that's BS, he does care. He has this competitive part to his psyche that won't allow a challenge unanswered. I think that he's at opportunist stage of ego development(9 stages of ego development by Jane Loevinger). Hard to understand a conformist staged ego choosing this lifestyle and livelihood as conformists typically seek more real life communities and groups to fulfill their need of belonging, or an ego at construct aware tolerating this kind of lifestyle of being a streamer and debate bro. Given I'm an ex-fan of Destiny, and how much information I could find out to assess his circle of life domains, from career to finance to intimacy and familial relationships, to his health and fitness, to his leisure and potential spiritual development there are some asymmetries in his life that contributed to the personality, in real life and potential spiritual development(he did have some psychedelics, I think it's shrooms, in the past that nearly was a bad trip, nearly killed his ego, which made him double down on his egotism more) His following ideologies he believes, indoctrinated by, and self identifies, biases and prefers with, from past videos and lives he did and interactions are: Capitalism, Americanism culture, determinism, logic, reasoning, modernism, Neoliberalism, online gaming, arguing and debates, rationalism, secularism as it justifies his open ended polygamy, science. His potential shadow selves, from individual scale to collective scale, will be the opposite of these ideologies I've listed so far, and more. Arguably speaking, this is a long time coming for someone like Destiny, but I won't glee or celebrate his suffering. I wish him well in patching up his relations, with understanding and empathy.

@Salvijus But what if piracy and plagiarism is involved, and stealing artworks and content from a struggling artist, effecting their profession they chosed themselves? And at mass scale such that it doesn't feel at first piracy or plagiarism? The idea of companies taking your work out there, using it to feed the A.I programs, without consent, without your knowledge, and even drawing better than you and gaining more of the fame and money that could have been yours? Exact same problems that the react community and reactors have: More on A.I disruption: Please be understanding and empathetic to the artists losing their jobs to A.I programs, at least do that if you're following and practicing @Leo Gura's teachings. This A.I disruption is dark for others. Sure, I'd partly agree on the existential, metaphysical levels that Art itself as infinity was never about survival. However, when you factor in the history of art, it's evolution, especially modernism and post modernism artwork, you can't be sure it's never about survival because marketing and popular consensus or pop culture or mass consciousness, in line with other economic, political, cultural, societal, and technological developments interplays and influences survival of certain art styles over other art styles. For example realism was waning away and surrealism became more popular, and landscape paintings of buildings or urban places less so, so much so that Adolf Hitler struggled to make a living for himself as an artist as the survival of art was changing and he was unable to adjust to the more popular art movement then. And also, based on many developmental factors Art changes in terms of Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing/traits, ego development, states of being/becoming and consciousness, Integral Theory's other lines of development in life and societal domains, and different ideological beliefs indoctrinated by culture and family, and information ecology leveraged by capitalism and Neoliberalism and big corporates manufacturing consent in the masses today. These developmental factors plays a role in adding relativity to art, and due to limited time, energy and attention, due to finitude, we have to select art that suits our individual subjective tastes over some other art pieces, make a purchase to the artist that caught our attention over the artist with less engaging artwork. See?

@Juan Thank you, coming from a Tik Tok representative it's sweet, but I am gonna take a break, got me the cold. In future I will make a fair take on Destiny as I got a good amount of constructive feedback from users that have supported me here, and I will keep it brief just for you boy.

@lina True, progress is also perspectival and pluralistic, some what post modernistic, yet we cannot abandon the singular, modernistic objective standards of what makes good art and bad art. The key here is to to be asymmetrical yet balanced to symmetry, and to mind our ideologies and dogmatic reactions to establishments and changes, and to be humble when one development may lead to regression in another. This video is also a funny take on this situation, it resonates:

@Salvijus Sure, I'd partly agree on the existential, metaphysical levels that Art itself as infinity was never about survival. However, when you factor in the history of art, it's evolution, especially modernism and post modernism artwork, you can't be sure it's never about survival because marketing and popular consensus or pop culture or mass consciousness, in line with other economic, political, cultural, societal, and technological developments interplays and influences survival of certain art styles over other art styles. For example realism was waning away and surrealism became more popular, and landscape paintings of buildings or urban places less so, so much so that Adolf Hitler struggled to make a living for himself as an artist as the survival of art was changing and he was unable to adjust to the more popular art movement then. And also, based on many developmental factors Art changes in terms of Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing/traits, ego development, states of being/becoming and consciousness, Integral Theory's other lines of development in life and societal domains, and different ideological beliefs indoctrinated by culture and family, and information ecology leveraged by capitalism and Neoliberalism and big corporates manufacturing consent in the masses today. These developmental factors plays a role in adding relativity to art, and due to limited time, energy and attention, due to finitude, we have to select art that suits our individual subjective tastes over some other art pieces, make a purchase to the artist that caught our attention over the artist with less engaging artwork. See?