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@Consept I'll restate my main argument again. Main issue specifically is not about the legality, it's part legal mostly moral. I showed an example here of what I mean: Please go watch it, it is relevant to my point being made of when some will just believe a big streamer's story, of them twisting and lying, and ultimately ruining Maximillian's life on the internet. To be clear I'm not defending Andrew Tate or the Maxim guy as they're immoral, I'm specifically against any hyperbole lies about Andrew Tate AFTER that seems fine but it isn't true, I'm against an mob mentality crazy narrative spinning, like he once owned NFTs of 50 naked cartoon women...that he then baits the Incel and red pill teens to buy into. I' using pure logic and hypotheticals because I'm more invested into the defamatory stories that ruins lives, most people just believe them, but later on a few find out it's not true and exaggerated.

@Consept I'll be watching the 52 minutes clips of Andrew Tate's break downs of his crimes, but I want to hear your description of his tax evasion? Okay, so basically Andrew/Triston Tate were planning on fleeing? But they ended up contacting Adin Ross, and Adin let slip his plans? Okay. Me stating Andrew having a sex dungeon, oil nude wrestles and BDSMs with many of the girls is hyperbole and a hypothetical to what the mob of haters/trolls and witch hunts of him saying, them taking a few facts and exaggerating. I'm saying yes Andrew Tate might be guilty of human/sex trafficking, a bit of rape, physical/psychological abuse, lover boy method, tax evasion, scam bitcoins, and sure he'll be found guilty and goes to jail, but my argument is the witch hunt afterwards, the slander and defamation stories of Andrew Tate doing WAY WORSE than what's so far reported. This pattern is not limited to him, just look at YouTube and online drama of slanderous and defamatory stories that sometimes ends people's careers and lives. That's my main argument and issue, when you kick down and beat up an already guilty person way more than the crime, the punishment should ALWAYS fit the crime. It's like if you found a thief guilty, chopping his/her hand off is an exaggeration in this modern world, nowadays it's just for petty theft to get like less than 10-5 years with bail or something lighter that fits the theft crime, you won't find nowadays in USA judges or police chopping hands off thieves yes? Do you see how ridiculous that is? Like a peeping Tom is charged with human indecency, caught masturbating to a naked woman indoors, so judge sentences the guy to have his eyes burned and his dick cut off or something, crazy yes? Another 3rd new context is with some people who were criminals but redeemed themselves and do some podcasts, tell their stories, do some coaching, or fitness channels or something. So because of their checkered past they cannot ever interact or be public figures themselves? What if a few of them redeemed themselves? How many apology videos or apologies do they make that would make them redeemed to the eyes of the mob? We can choose to argue this and transition away from the Tate case.

@jimwell Really? That's interesting, I have mostly the opposite of your views: I do love describing more colorfully nouns, verbs, situations and objects. Got to the point I've recently taken rap music and freestyles as a hobby, and love doing so many rhymes, and implementing literacy and poetic techniques! Ekphrasis is also my favorite exercise to do: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjLtsusivyEAxUl9gIHHYrwAXwQFnoECCsQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEkphrasis&usg=AOvVaw327HIzNbsA50fc2_XOFPdc&opi=89978449

@Zeroguy I would pick being a jack of all trades mastering one thing: JACKING ALL TRADES! Balancing expertise and finesse with emotional intuition.

@Consept First off, thanks for the detailed post on his first crime of sex/human trafficking and the lover boy method thingy. Can you do the same for his second apparent charge of tax evasion and money laundering? I'll repeat, my main argument is his latest arrest and increase in sentencing over some rumor said by some random streamer named Adin Ross. I then argued after you argued something about injustice without defining what you meant so we're having this sloppy back and forth around injustice, so I argued back by providing a hypothetical, and bringing up another case to parallel such as Maximilian which I hope you've now seen. Yes Maximilian is a bad immoral character, very similar to Andrew Tate/Triston Tate, they are similarly bad people, but my particular problem is when extra condemnation happens afterwards. For example, when Charlie was spreading his defamatory story of Maximilian saying he's a pedo pedo pedo, even though it's within a joking and provocateur character in his gameplays, Charlie makes it seem like Maximilian is a pedo pedo pedo selling CP in his discords, HOWEVER it's a distortion: users were coming to HIS DISCORD AND POSTING those images, which made him repeatedly close and create another discord again and again. At that time, the days and weeks followed was a mob mentality witch hunt onto Maximillian BECAUSE Charlie was a HUGE STREAMER selling trumped up exaggerated story of him being a pervert! So my main point I'm extrapolating from Maximillian's case, and Andrew/Triston Tate's case I'm extrapolating, is that both have a shared problem area of the mob, and even a system of power and mob rule, interpreting incorrectly what that person did, as if Andrew Tate has a sex dungeon actively raping women on a daily basis, oil nude wrestling and BDSM daily, but really he's only guilty of the lover boy and sex/human trafficking and being a pimp evading taxes and money laundering. The characterization of Andrew being some rapey davey on a daily I disagree, but I agree on the current charges but I disagree on extra charges that are baseless and disagree on the witch hunt. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

@Consept My main issue is that both contexts and both cases involved the mob and the popular public figures of power kicking down on a person with invented charges. Yes both Andrew Tate/Triston Tate and Maximilian guy are bad characters, have lower Spiral Dynamics stages of values development, lower in moral development and somewhat cognitive development, immoral and have differences in personality types/traits, ego stages, shadow selves, other lines of development that is a regression in that person's life domain and even societal domain as it pertains to their needs of belonging, and differences in ideological beliefs, metanarratives, and information ecology consumed, and their biases and preferences that shapes their worldviews. Yes both characters are generally bad, but also both them and many others when they're on the down low are kicked and people exaggerate their crimes or their evil ways, that's the main issue I have when most people just bad faith tactics and black/white binary think these people accused of these evils. The thought terminating cliches is also another issue I have, most people just generalize, and distort and exaggerate their immoral actions.

@Consept I'm commenting on your picky use of logic here. If you're willing to c0ondemn Andrew/Triston Tate, then you also have to Condemn Destiny, Charlie/Moistcritikal/Penguinz0 for lying, slander and defamation. It's fine to judge and disagree with a bad faith character, find him/her immoral, but it's another thing to accuse them of something they didn't do, but because of mass popularity and mass negativity they become the 'perfect victims' of smear campaigns.

Remember, 'facts don't care about your feelings.' is false. 'Facts do care about your feelings.' and 'stories, anecdotes, and metaphors are far more persuasive as the brain struggles to process pure data and statistics.' is TRUE for the individual to the collective levels: Based on Spiral Dynamics stages of development by Don Beck, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, 9 stages of ego development by Jane Loevinger, Architypes and shadow work by Carl Jung, Ken Wilbur's Integral Theory, ideological beliefs indoctrinated through our collective sense making apparatuses, our meta programming, metanarratives, information ecology we consume and feed off of from big companies manufacturing consent, and self biases and preferences. IMO emotions, intuition, metaphors, anecdotes, and narratives, infused with good charisma and charm, is FAR MORE PERSUASIVE than mostly an objective and logical approach to debating and persuading viewers. Combined with the negatives and dangers of social media, this rings true and is very concerning on the collective scale of societies, politics, and governments. Whichever group get's to gain control and propagate more convincing narratives in this narrative and information warfare has more leverage and influence on the populace's opinions on it.

@Nate0098 It depends on your position and how you define 'infinity' nd 'eternity'. IMO it's a semantics issue, and somewhat syntax as well, as the words carry similar meanings: infinity, forever, never ending, Omniferous, eternal/eternity, and so on. So what do you mean when you say eternity, and infinity? Also from your post, seems like your describing omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniferous, few ore I can't recall.

@Twentyfirst Why not?

@Consept The main issue is that this is exactly like this online case here: Basically yes Maximilian guy was mostly a bad character, bit immoral, trolling, cyber bullying, and a bit edgy, BUT Charlie accuses and spins a narrative against him that's totally UNTRUE! Pedophilia allegations followed, and due to Charlie's bigger audience his story out voiced any counter narratives or fact checking for Maximilian, ultimately in a way ruining his online career. Where it specifically parallels to Andrew and Triston Tate and their view of Romania's injustice is that they are being charged with tax evasion, human and sex trafficking charges. Now they're getting arrested again for conspiracy to flee Romania, due to Adin Ross saying they might flee...really???Also if we took this situation and made an alternative hypothetical, say Andrew/Triston Tate are only guilty of tax evasion, illegal solicitation of OnlyFans, human/sex trafficking, but then Romania throws in rape and sexual assault evidence and starts a slander/defamation on the Tates of charges that aren't there. Is that not injustice for them? Also @Thought Art yes I think there was another Destiny thread I forgotten, but also @Thought Art and @UnbornTao Isn't it a bit unfair that you asked me that question, but locked that thread which made me unable to reply to your question? It's fine if I'm a moderator I can reply on locked threads but I'm a normal user so my privileges here are limited.

@Consept You can choose not to argue the legality of they're guilt, the Romanian courts will eventually, but then make the claim there's 'enough evidence' in this thread for Andrew Tate and maybe Triston Tate self snitching? Where's the post showing this set of evidence, and why would you claim not to make a legal sounding argument but claim arbitrary amount of evidence here is enough for an arrest and charge? Arguing them facing injustices? Injustices by the Romanian government? What's your definition of injustice? So as long as they never went to Romania, and kept a relatively low profile that Andrew Tate and Triston Tate would've been fine? How would they have been fine if they didn't market and do business, and marketed as much in social media? What do you mean they became suddenly famous as possible and talked about their crime? Haven't they talked about way more like misogyny and sexist sounding topics, material gains, some fighting tips, some topics about marketing and business, meanwhile being marketed as a bit hyper masculine more so than talking about their crimes? And Andrew Tate's/Triston Tate's claims of self genius happened when in live and playing that social media character, or was said when they're not in character?

Just look at the mass slander and defamation happening to Normand Finkelstein: https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal Can we verify where that letter and photo of letter came from? Is it a deep fake A.I image? I find it highly suspicious such a letter leaks out AFTER this Lex Fridman podcast!

@Seth What do you think??? If I was sarcastic wouldn't I not be so troubled by this disgrace?

Seriously, I'll ask some users who do A.I generated tech, can you deep fake a photo of a letter like this? How is this authentic?

Great takes by Hassan actually, confirms some of my intuitions with the whole podcast as BS:

@Javfly33 IMO even assuming I can probably do Kratom for a lifetime and be all right is partial and lacks the scientific research, same with it's effects on my wallet and health. I agree it can add to the suffering to have more addictions and dependency, from heavy to even light addiction, but I think it's right to be doubtful of Kratom given the lack of research and documentation of Kratom. We still don't know the exact health ratio of natural kratom to western processed kratom, as far as I've looked through various videos on this topic seems like the processed kratom is more riskier than natural kratom leaves. Yes I am right when you do the comparing/contrasting of data on cocaine, heroine, methamphetamines, and the more street drugs or criminally and black market processed drugs like angel's dust and so on. I find it so beta male that the DEA/FDA overreacted and wants to illegalize Kratom when the 3 big points of Kratom effects: Death, withdrawal, liver damage, makes up the minority and small percentages in comparison to alcohol, opioids manufactured by big pharma, other actual class A street drugs with bigger percentages of causing liver damage, severe withdrawals and death.

@Javfly33 Also, Kratom threads in this forum? I swear have checked and my thread is the only one dealing with this subject...

and Are misinformation, and taken out of context. OF COURSE THE PODCAST'S 5 HOURS LONG! But this doesn't justify this degree of context getting so taken out and twisted like this. Shame on DESTINY AND LEX FRIDMAN!!

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While I was in favor originally of Andrew Tate getting arrested in the first place for human trafficking and tax evasion, the second arrest felt a bit too much IMO: Do some of you guys have more information on this? Seems to me like a more suspicious move from Romanian government.

They need to keep Dana White in check, and stop giving out world titles so easily to people of this character like Sean Strickland, only winning because Izy's defense and evasion skills were his weakness: Respect for the Navy Seals, and stage blue/orange military people. This shows again, time and time again, that the internet and social media platforms makes people more mentally unwell, increasing ADD/ADHD via Tik Tok and engineering a need in users to seek more shorter content, more narcissism and false expectations via algorithms auto beautifying profile pics, misinformation spread way more rapidly than any previous information ecology in history, increasing psychopathy/sociopathy via making other accounts and too much 2d interfaces than 3rd interactions with people in real life, and many other ailments from just overuse of social media. Sean seems to be highly effected by online opinions, trolls and haters much more. Sean desperately needs to see Jordan Peterson to clean his house!😂

@Javfly33 The main problem I think is not the raw natural Kratom leaves, but after they're dried and processed in western American businesses, as usual Murica complicates and makes every drug or substance they process unnatural and more dangerous. Also, I've personally been addicted to Coke Cola in my late childhood. Over the years I've slowly tackled my addiction until I have the willpower to choose or not to choose to drink some Coke. Same with video games, a bigger addiction problem in my life story. Same, over time through trials and tribulations, sometimes I have small victories of abstinence and relapses, but I eventually got my gaming habits under control. There's also another problem with a lack of research comparing the natural Kratom to Amurica's processed version, but unfortunately the beta male girly reactions of FDA and DEA wanting to ban and illegalize Kratom, due to liver destruction, withdrawals, sudden deaths, even though there are other substances that cause more liver damages, withdrawals and deaths WAY worse and about 99995-98% is those substances and less than 1% from Kratom, why the overreaction?