Danioover9000

Great takes! Again, crazy dude, but respect to him! https://x.com/mrgirlreturns/status/1809399442115862651

@Yali As cringe and delusional this guy is, I respect this man! He also a rapper too, and film documentary guy, and even he is not afraid to say what he feels, way more braver than me. Jeez I need to rap better than this dude and actually be more braver than before! https://x.com/mrgirlreturns/status/1812385063658807501

@Merkabah Star Link to clip? Am curious. I might analyze his body language and tell you what I think.

@Rafael Thundercat Yeah it sounds amazing. Shame that Tristen kept cutting off Schmachtenberger and interjecting, I'd like to see Daniel and Joe just talk it out and Tristen to just fade into the background a bit.

@Joshe Well what some people here they'll say nice things about him. Most would be say neutral or may say nice things about him, and the higher ups I felt like more than half only had nice things to say. Me, and about 3 users, years been here, all 4 of us, me, Forestluv, Michael, Matt 8800, few other names I forgot had our suspicions. I was just the more vocal about it and got the most flake as well. But regardless said my piece and moved on, and after saying all that my predictions and suspicions came true, and most of them only can blame themselves for being too nice right? I didn't want to be the guy that said I told you so lads, but I told you so! So here we are I guess.😂🤦‍♀️ But like I been saying, will take a break from this thread, and hope you do too. Too much politics this and that for me. Take care!

@Joshe Glad we cool for the moment. Look here, been hating on that guy, yeah too much, but I am right with some of my takes if you see past the hating right? You or admin or other mods may love him and beat me blue in the face all day trying to defend him, but like I said in the past, I said all of them and meant it. Imma say it and leave it like that, but I swear I have been in this forum for 4 years, and did research on that Lex fella for a couple years, and know what I know, you know what I mean? I'll leave it like that.

OK boi. Ok tough guy. OK BJ-BJJ Lex: https://x.com/lexfridman/status/1812605006501024113 BTW I find this telling, yes likely just marketing and galvanizing the right wing, but this shooter was bullied and had mental issues. When I double checked Lex's background he suffered the same issues cuz he different right. I find his judgementalism here like a self snitching moment, like he demonizing his shadow self, basically calling himself a coward and vile too and showing a bit of hypocrisy as well. Take it how you will. Oh and he has Daddy issues BTW.

I find this podcast more valuable to listen to, but my god does Tristen love to interject and interrupt Daniel Schmachtenberger.

@Schizophonia 😂

Honestly, if you're experienced body language analyst and know personality traits/types and other factors, 29:04 to 29:20 is Tristen in a nutshell in this conversation, always trying to interject, control, and direct the conversation, trying to compete for airtime and frame controls, meanwhile Daniel Schmachtenberger was trying to condense his communication down, trying to fit the necessary points he wants to cover, in a calm manner, and Joe is just chilling back, and loosely controlling and moderating the conversation dynamic happening. Man I hate Tristen!

OMG I hate this moment! 28:00 to 28:10 Schmachtenberger was just finishing his answer to Joe, then Tristen interjects and prompts Daniel to explain what the ChatGPT overlord is or the deep fake thing. And mid way in that timeline when Daniel's is explaining Tristen INTERJECTS! Damn, Imma be honest and straight up tell Tristen I'm fucking speaking here, you promtped me to explain, let me freaking EXPLAIN!👿 Dude like WTF OMG Daniel's patience is god like!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I want to say it's a good conversation between Daniel Schmachtenberger and Joe Rogan, but... First ten minutes in and this Tristen guy, IMO this third wheel in this discourse is just interrupting and interjecting himself over Daniel Schmachtenberger! I'm like Jesus Christ let Daniel talk a bit longer to Joe here! But whatever, here's my general take so far, first 10-20 minutes, general body language: Daniel Schmachtenberger's is decent, subdued a bit and closed a bit, hands on hips together, also level tonality and good pacing of speech, all over calm and level. Tristen's is higher energy/vibe and higher activity, like generally good illustrators with hands, hands gesturing as he speaks, lots of eye contact and eye brow flashing(in body language eye brow flashing is a ratio of either feeling surprised, seeking social connection, and emphasizing) I feel like his eyebrow flashes are more seeking social approval and connection, with a close second to emphasizing points and words he's been saying. Also Tristen keeps, around 3-6 seconds ranges looking to Daniel, then to Joe Rogan, then sometimes to his left, as if he's doing what we body language analysts call confirmation glances(confirmation glances are the glances liars and sales people give to see if their statement has the intended effect it has), which gives me the impression that Tristen is more likely lying or more like trying to manipulate and interject himself more into the conversation, IMO trying to conquer the airtime of this podcast more than Joe Rogan or more than Daniel Schmachtenberger, which is a shame because Schmachtenberger has great takes and great points to make IF ONLY HE HAS ENOUGH TIME TO LAY THEM OUT! Which Tristen isn't letting him rift off from! Like COME ON!🤣🤦‍♀️ And finally Joe Rogen has got decent body language and he's a good host to either one, IMO he should have probably tried to engage more with Schmachtenberger and put Tristen on his place, via social and framing Tristen's place in this conversation. I mean Joe's a comedian and they do have the skill to use jokes or humour to put someone in their place, honestly he should've put Tristen in his place for interjecting too much. How? So few ways I can think up right now are to ask follow up questions to Daniel Schmachtenberger, and when Tristen tries to interject Joe should immediately command Tristen to 'hold on, Daniel's talking. I want to hear him give a full answer.', or 'wait a minute, let Daniel finish.', or even if he allows the interjection to happen, Joe should immediately reframe and repeat the question to Daniel, and with illustration and eyebrow flash at Daniel, give an open palm gesture towards Daniel, and maybe use pointy fingers to Tristen when he's addressing the interjections. IDK these are some things I came up with. Honestly Joe should've moderated this better. IMO that's one too many interruptions Tristen was getting away with.

@Rafael Thundercat SNEAKO and Zurka? Yeah they're in it for the clout. Nick Fuentes and Destiny are in it for the debate, and you really can see how passionate both are with debating and arguing, so much energy being exchanged here is impressive.

What I don't like is when Joe Rogan's listing these conspiracy points, like the mass immigration or the elite attempting to control social media. Especially when Joe Rogan brought up Haitians on the southern borders storming in...I know the history and other developmental factors involved has led Haitians to be like that, for the past 130 or so years ago starting when French colonials made Haiti and how they mistreated the black slaves which is VASTLY different with the Spanish colony next door, the Dominican Republic. Yes both eventually gain independence, but Haiti had to almost do a French Revolution themselves, make a new government, and really struggle for their freedom. And the cost? MASSIVE amount of debt that to this day Haiti had to still pay off, which part of them paying of is cutting down timber and wood to trade to French Empire, which then leads to deforestation and weakening the soil which makes the land more exposed to errosion and storms, which leads to more quick sands or more sink holes which leads to more difficulty farming and making property in those lands. Not to mention the struggle of a new government and the gangs that prop up here and there. Not to mention USA involvement, and predatory capitalists taking advantage of the chaos and ADDING ONTO THE MASSIVE DEBT! It's honestly disgusting how Haiti was treated like this for the longest time, and just brushed off and moved on in this podcast. But I digress because they more interested in social media issue, persuasion technology, Naive techno optimism, myth of the narrative progress, arms races, just these high level abstracts...and brush past Haiti, or any specific problems in the world today. I don't want to rant or bad faith these speakers, but it's like watching another Jordan Peterson, IMHO.

@questionreality 1. Just because a person uses a word another person also uses, is not justifiable claim that person A is parroting person B. If that's the case then I can claim you've been parroting me for using English words I was also using too. Just because words like 'devil' or 'devilry' are used, does not mean it's parroting as 100,000s to 1,000,000 of Christians or others do use those words. 2. Because @Joshe and @Leo Gura are biased against Trump, and attention is limited and finite resource. Yes in an ideal world we'd like for each person to list good and bad things about the person they're addressing, but in Trump's case they think they cannot play fence sitter or both side him,, that they have to take a moral absolutist stance against Trump. Some people like them proclaim they're moral relativists but in practice it's morally right for me and not for thee and what suits me and not you, basically speaking. For example the few goods I saw Trump did is that he did reform part of the prison system, made it more cheaper, and he also gave back to the black community and increased certain job opportunities in those communities. That's why some street or people from the ghetto do like Trump and what he did, albeit you can argue it's more rhetoric than policy but Trump did benefit them to some degree. 3. Just because those people failed to list some good things Trump did, and are displaying all kinds of hate towards him, that doesn't mean they're brainwashed into hating Trump. It just means they're biased against Trump, his Rhetoric, and recently because of Leo's blog posts and his takes on Trump in his videos, these people now feel they're more justified in hating Trump. But that doesn't mean they're brainwashed into the hate. Again, their energy, time, attention is limited, they got biases, and have to select for certain biases to be for or against, that's all. Why I am against this brainwashing angle is that Actualized is not a cult group, you can have your own thoughts, and you can come and go from this place. Saying these people are brainwashed implies they're a cult following trapped here, which isn't the case.

And this is why I stress rhetoric over truth, because while Nick Fuentes is a neo Nazi, his rhetoric in this video out did Destiny, and Destiny looked like he embarrassed himself here. Especially looking at his phone while live debating, like you're supposed to be prepared and researched well enough the topics to then argue adequately without soliciting chat or online lawyers.

Since we're talking about Destiny, this video shows how aggressively he debates:

@Joshe It's funny because most Trump supporters hates the center or moderates, but they then assume a moderate position when excusing Trump.😂

@Merkabah Star Don't like that YT guy. Lame and panders too much, don't suggest watching a lot from him.

@Gennadiy1981 And that is the power of bias.

@Joshe In fact I did a whole study on Destiny's body language here, among other figures. Check it out, I covered one where in it he was doing lots of manipulations techniques of visuals, presentations, frame controlling, and narrative spinning against one YT, and how he communicated, and vice versa. From the title to the thumbnail, to how they presented, down to their micro expressions, body language, tonality, and word choices.

@Joshe True, in body language analysis and NLP, looking up in general means you are accessing visual parts of brain to see images or movies in thought. Yes sometimes when thinking in visuals you'd see them look up, not on one spot but their eyes may look to their left(accessing images in memory, for example what was your favorite painting, or colour, or movie scene?) or to their right(constructing an image from parts of other memories, re-imagining a scene for example if I asked what if his hat was pitch black, or what if she was wearing X instead of Y). Now sometimes just looking up with some eye movements in upper left or upper right is not limited to that, for instance people with visualize a lot more will also scan the room, sometimes often, for space and direction, or if say you've taken a witness or suspect to a scene of a crime and ask them to describe the events and where is where, they'd tell you their story but they may point to a location where an object was, or illustrate to another place. Not sure about what's in his movement or his tone that makes you feel like he's being earnest? Because in some situations Destiny WILL play up emotional cues and sound like he's earnest or does his hand waving with fingers pointing all over and be talking fast LOL. In fact Destiny doing that there's a good chance he's more performing for the audience. I've seen him in his gaming years, seen that whole Kyle Rittenhouse event where Destiny was as you described very tonal and higher in movement, but the statements he was making were VERY loaded, and felt VERY intentional in farming public outrage to draw in viewers and streamers INTO his framing and INTO an environment that HE CAN control. Destiny is very good at least in this aspect of debating and setting the tone of a talk. He did that with the Rittenhouse event, then there was the event were in I think his fourth or fifth time of getting banned by Twitch over a racial joke and racial slur and that whole drama, then there were a few more dramas. IMO the most red flags you'll get from Destiny, if you pay attention, is his time he was making videos and talking to Mr. Girl, definite red flags in how he handled that whole situation. Then we recently have these clips and videos of him dealing with the Israel/Palestine conflict, then his phase of getting podcast interviews and certain podcasts that boil my brain up, and then this joke about the shooting. Sorry but definitely enough red flags to me to conclude that yes, Destiny is a great debater, but he's still got an immature and somewhat manipulative style of talk to him. In fact, he sort of self confessed in one of his videos talking to Dr. K, and even to Mr. Girl.

@Raze Yeah I remember the first video Destiny brought up the Israel/Palestine conflict I think it was after the drama and feuding with Mr. Girl was cooling down, and a few debates he had I think with Nick Fuentes or some other conspiracy person, forgot the name but that guy was good, and I think it was after that whole divorce he was having with Melina that Destiny's energy then was like that, I could be wrong in remembering that sequence there. I was shocked that he went quite a bit pro Israel so soon, but I also wasn't because Destiny tends to have that pattern of behavior of saying and claiming shocking things, then looks to Chat, answers some questions at length, then say another shocking thing which then he has to justify and explain, and the cycle repeats here.

@Raze Yeah, seen enough of Destiny and Vaush to comment that his main problem is communicating in a sophistry way. What Vaush should do is simplify his communication a bit, and stop competing for airtime superiority. In fact common problem in debate circles especially in TV and livestream debates, even live debates is trying to out talk the other arguer and come off as appearing smarter. Vaush's main problem is his bias of post modernism, and using moral relativism when it suits his position, and just talking in sophistry. And Destiny's style, communication, even down to body language and rhetoric, which is the parent style for Vaush, is just like this also but he can speak faster than Vaush and articulate himself a bit more. Now the problem with Destiny is that he has 12+ years of debate experience to make fallacies, deflections, and dodges seem very natural, whilst with someone like Vaush in debates it's not that natural. I guess at the end of the day, these 2 and other streamers are playing up online personalities, at least with what I can read their mannerisms that's the impression I get.

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