Danioover9000

Here's the real truth nobody will argue against me on: Elon Musk is a man-child narcissistic billionaire right wing troll, that happens to be in the autistic spectrum, and hardwired for engineering, and phobic too, who also contradicts himself as a free speech absolutist. Imagine me making this proclamation on Twitter itself how long do you think my tweet will remain there? TRUTH for me and not for THEE.

This is a good analysis of that interview:

@Leo Gura The main problem with this interview, with some moments of arguments, is when Elon Musk proclaims he's a free speech absolutist, so any argument Elon makes against Don Lemon is nullified because by definition a free speech absolutist is for anarchist levels of free speech and very loose to no moderation and policy in a website, therefore it's a deeply contradictory position Elon places himself on. I also agree that Don Lemon's CNN habit came back here with repeats of 'so you're saying'😂 but I won't overlook his argumentation is actually stronger than Elon Musks. For instance when Don Lemon asks Elon about those tweets containing hateful tropes or racist stereotypes, why are they still up there or why is it taking so long ever since those tweets were reported. Now here I think Don should've been more specific and to the point with this type, but Don overextended and introduced CP and legal/illegal category, which in an argument is category error to talk about legal/illegal tweets and posts. Don Lemon should have kept within the legal category, within Twitter's policy, and grill Elon on why it's taken much longer to remove certain posts. Don Lemon, when he does make a strong argument point like this can, if he wants to be more aggressive, bring up examples of illegal posts that contains drug sourcing, violent gore, porn, CP, terrorists killing people and so on that's illegal to a government, and go 'if it's taking you so long within your moderation team to take down a hateful trope/racist stereotyping post, then it'll take similarly as long for your team to remove an illegal post, so why should you as a free speech absolutist must do to hasten removal of offensive tweets?'. I do also agree that Don Lemon's interview style needs improving, but when it came to arguing he's fine with some improvements needed.

@Bandman True because he looks up to Elon Musk, it's an ad hominem but the reverse as he puts Elon Musk, and Joe Rogan on this pedestal above him.

@OBEler Putting aside your appeals to subjectivity, anecdote, false equivalency, and appeals to ambiguity, why do you think you don't need to take a more good/bad positioning towards Nazi Germany when in an argument? Do you not think you need to check if your argumentation for a Nazi Germany calling themselves a socialist party instead of conservative party a valid/invalid, weak/strong argument back against @Leo Gura? So your new argument and position is instead of this semantics issue with @Leo Gura, you're against the new images of Nazis portrayed by Hollywood war movies. like Inglorious Bastards for example, and within the gaming industry that made Call Of Duty. Is the reason why you're against Hollywood and western media portrayal of Nazis due to them being Jewish/Zionist directors? Is it due to the Jewish elite ruling Hollywood and media overall? If most people's views are distorted and brainwashed by Inglorious Bastards and Call Of Duty, and by Hollywood? If you think Nazis in Nazi Germany were totally normal people and not psychos, narcissistic sadists, then why would totally normal people allow the holocaust to happen, ethnic and racial discrimination to happen, and destruction of libraries to happen during Nazi Germany? Is that a normal person's behavior, to destroy libraries, and ethnically cleanse an area like that?

@OBEler Apparently Destiny got some good political takes and good conversationalist..... Rap Elvis: If I tell a lie, stop me.

Interesting to do body language analysis: https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1772971842350747736?s=20 Body language: Within a few seconds of intro to this clip we see him adjusting his tie and his suit button, fastening them up, quick signals of self soothing gestures here(touching of face, neck, and articles of clothing like a suit label, adjusting tie or collar or sleeves, or smoothing wrinkles in one's clothing before delivering a charged speech are self soothing gestures to sooth distress/defensiveness) which IMO is likely him dealing with stage fright and dealing with the negative potential ramifications of screwing up delivering this conference and speech to a crowd. At 0:13 he does a smirk(raising of one cheek smile more so than the other side of the face, unusually indicates feeling contempt or feeling morally/intellectually superior) IMO it's likely moral/intellectual superiority than contempt for foreign changes being implied by Israel to Americans. Last 30 seconds is note worthy as there's an eyebrow flash(feeling surprised, emphasis or social approval seeking. Likely seeking social connection and emphasis) and eyebrow furrow(either concentration or feeling frustration) on once again the idea of USA government changing their foreign policy over Israel not sending their delegates over.

@OBEler Housewives were respected and working in the household, okay, and probably nurses, teachers, waitresses, bartenders, et cetera. But what about jobs were majority were male and women wanted to do those jobs related to S.T.E.M, military, construction, et cetera? What about single women at that time? Hitler invented mother's day??? Okay, can you give me sources about the German population during Hitler's reign? If you say 500,000 Jews make up under 1% of Germany's population under Nazi Germany, then there's roughly a total of 50,000,000 Germans within Germany, and 500,000 are Jews? So what are the remaining 49,500,000, 99%, distributed to which demographics? Also while we're on the topic of population, we also have had the birthrate decline issue even here as well. Of course largely due to WW1 among other factors, the Nazis have this state sponsored breeding program here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjBmqaJkJOFAxUtV0EAHYmLDgcQFnoECBMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fencyclopedia.ushmm.org%2Fcontent%2Fen%2Farticle%2Flebensborn-program&usg=AOvVaw0rG_lJJOBcXYWQF-XxkOLk&opi=89978449

@Schizophonia Guilty by association.😔

@mmKay He pulled that information from @Leo Gura's hypothetical example of a Nazi putting a gun to your head.

@Leo Gura I see, so you're real argument here is not that Nazism=conservative alt right, but Nazism=nationalism and ethnic/religious nationalism? Especially considering that after 9/11, most people were cowed to anti Islamic, pro American backlash LEFT and RIGHT, therefore it's not necessarily that Nazism is only a right wing conservative thing, but a Nationalist thing? So Zionism=Nazism?

@OBEler Wait, historically 80% of workers in factories during WW2 are Jewish, and about 40% of them were both killed off or expelled during the holocaust. How is that under 1% of Germans during Nazi Germany? Also what I mean with women in that time is when most Nazis wat all women to be housewives only. In fact when Hitler and his Nazi party learned that women were part of the soviet army they were horrified and thought the Russians barbaric. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiEyLfV8JKFAxX8-gIHHVFhBIcQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fencyclopedia.ushmm.org%2Fcontent%2Fen%2Farticle%2Fgermany-jewish-population-in-1933&usg=AOvVaw22UZMwoGOY0FWQctTXadGa&opi=89978449 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjphvz48JKFAxVIxQIHHfmYAsIQFnoECBkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.shu.ac.uk%2Fresearch%2Fin-action%2Fprojects%2Fbeing-black-in-nazi-germany&usg=AOvVaw2hxPlp8TUb9x3nbWt36Koh&opi=89978449

Unless you're a black person, a Jew, and a woman.

@OBEler Yes, and when Germany lost WW1, when the Axis powers severely did economic sanctions, and the Nazis recruited Hitler the energetic charisma guy and everyone fallen for his demagoguery. Don't forget about what happened prior to lead into those conditions for Hitler.

@OBEler Better, but now it suffers from being too general and broad. Allows for a million things or groups, too open to many variables so within the argumentation, as an analogy it suffers.

@Leo Gura You mean when 'a dictatorship' is established? Don't know about the Nazi pointing a gun to your head, oddly specific.

@OBEler I would argue that you partly need not just conservatives, but also traditionalists, and more so nationalism/ethnic nationalism/ religious nationalism, and the establishment losing badly in some famine or natural catastrophe or war that the alt left/right can then take advantage of.

@OBEler You can argue that due to Hitler's charisma and charm, that demagoguery allowed him sway over the majority of Germans, which BTW lost in WW1 and the Axis powers punished them severely with economic sanctions, which if the American president at the time didn't die from illness would've presented a far better solution to handling Germany's defeat in WW1 and the German traditionalists then lost. The axis powers then are solely responsible for making an environment that Nazis would eventually develop into. Also your analogy is kind of sexist to women, please make a better one.🤦‍♀️

@Leo Gura If you don't give a fuck abut Destiny, why do you care so much about his political views being intelligent, nuanced and moderate? How do you square that performative contradiction? Also, Destiny's sociopathy, and willingness to both platform, debate, talk, and befriend a Neo Nazi is the most relevant weakness he has when it comes to talking and debating about the alt right or Nazism. Also, if his views are intelligent, nuanced and moderate, why did he take such an extreme stance being pro Israel, and propagating American exceptionalism?

@Leo Gura He has demonstrated enough of his misunderstanding of Nazism in that stream with Mr. Girl, and how he was redefining what a Nazi is when pushed back was given. Yes, Destiny did not portray himself as an academic, but instead as a debatebro and political commentator, who live streams and plays online games. He knows enough about marketing, most of his fanbase, and will farm public outrage just enough it's not libel but enough for viewers to click on him. Should Destiny be disqualified from talking about Nazism? If you're willing to disqualify Jordan's stance on Nazism then you can also disqualify Destiny as well, and the evidence for that is how Destiny implicitly endorsed Nick Fuentes, buddying up to him even knowing he's a Neo Nazi and willing to platform and debate Nick Fuentes when the more morally right thing to do would've been to not platform or be seen with him. Yet due to his multiple bans from Twitch over rape and racist jokes, he had a soft spot for Nick Fuentes. I can list more proof if you need it from way older streams, they were together and close for some time. If the issue isn't who you talk to but the ideas you promote, then when looking at Destiny's take on John Mearsheimer's arguments for Ukraine/Russia, and lately his hot takes with Israel/Palestine, then the idea he promote is American exceptionalism and American liberalism? Do note when it comes to foreign policy Destiny is a bit weak on that take.

@OBEler Now on this point he's fine to have his big picture takes. Just when it comes to argumentation he has to be wary of performative contradictions and false dichotomies. Yes reality is complex and got a lot of combinatory moving parts, but in logical debates and arguments you gotta be careful of those appeals and fallacies.

@Leo Gura The main problem is that at that time Destiny willingly platformed Nick Fuentes who was known as a Neo Nazi, he allowed this osmosis between their 2 fanbases knowing who and what he stood for! It's not just talking or even debating a Nazi, Destiny was BEFRIENDING a Nazi! Therefore in this discussion and debate with Jordan Peterson, would this equate and count as a disqualification as well? Both arguers here are equally guilty of misrepresenting this Nazi ideology in their talks, so would you also consider disqualifying Destiny as well as Jordan? At least IMO both Destiny and Jordan sold their souls to the devil in this mistake.

@Mormegil He lost the war because Hitler was known to not listen to more experienced generals in warfare. If he did so much as take in 30% of advice more, then the outcome would be drastically different. Due to Hitler dismissing 95% of general's advice in war, he lost the war. Instead of trying to recruit Spain which at the time was in major debt to Germany, he ignored that advice. Instead of focusing on one side of the war, he divided his troops everywhere, westwards and eastwards. Instead of delaying the holocaust at least until he won and conquered much of Europe, he made the holocaust happen too early and lost 40% of Germany's workforce. Instead of working more closely with Japan against Russia, he didn't. Due to Hitler's egotism and not listening to general with good experience in war, he lost the war.

@OBEler That's true, furthermore in reality it is possible that a person is so far right extremist that in some situations they become far left extremists too, AKA the strange loop effect. Anarchists/libertarians or even communists are so far left that they can be so far right in certain issues, for example looking at the concentration camp in China's country with the Ugyers.